Comment by iainmerrick

Comment by iainmerrick 7 hours ago

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I think the secret of Ryanair is that their goal is actually to make their turnarounds as fast and efficient as possible, not explicitly to make money by adding a fee for every little aspect of the service.

If anything can possibly slow down flight boarding, disembarking or cleanup, they'll first try to remove it completely, and only if people object too much will they reluctantly offer it with a fee.

Pocket on the seat back -> most people don't use on short flights -> get rid of them.

Luggage -> most people need this, but not everyone -> charge a fee.

Reclining seat -> most people don't use on short flights -> get rid of them.

They do sell drinks and duty free; that's an interesting one. I guess once the flight is airborne, the flight attendants aren't really doing anything else (from management's perspective) so they might as well sell stuff. Plus the trolley blocking the aisle stops passengers from moving around, which they probably see as a big advantage.

I think this even applies to the ridiculous penalty fees they charge for e.g. trying to check in at the airport rather than doing it beforehand on the app. It feels like they're just trying to rip you off, but I suspect they see it more as a "nudge" to make people check in online, because that streamlines their airport process.

I got a little bit less annoyed by them when I realised this. Sure, it's still uncomfortable and sometimes infuriating, but it's all with the aim of an efficient and reliable service, and they're way better than average at that.

KolmogorovComp 3 hours ago

That's not (really) it.

Ryanair makes little to no money from passengers, nowadays it's mainly from selling airplanes. They were still profitable during COVID without even carrying passengers at some point, only thanks to their flying school, which thanks to social dumping and the UE, allow them to charge 40k€ per wannabe pilot without even guaranteeing them a hire.

They booked 2000 737max, with their own special version during COVID+MCAS disaster, they paid it dirt cheap.

Then they operate them marginally, and now that the traffic has gone up again and the delay between buying and receiving a Max is about 8 years, they sell them back for a huge profit.

It's been known for ages in the industry.

  • iainmerrick 3 hours ago

    Do you have a link for that? It sounds interesting but a bit unlikely. It's hard to see how charging for pilot training, even at 40K a pop, would be a sustainable business.

    The thing about buying planes is also interesting, but sounds like a sneaky business move rather than the actual foundation of the business.

    I've always heard that nobody really makes money from passengers, which is why airlines are always going bankrupt, and I'm sure Ryanair's margins are super skinny. But even so, it does seem like moving passengers around is the core of their business, rather than it just being a front for something else.

varjag 4 hours ago

> It feels like they're just trying to rip you off, but I suspect they see it more as a "nudge" to make people check in online, because that streamlines their airport process.

I believe the airline pays the airport for every check in and luggage handling transaction. They are just cutting costs.

baxtr 5 hours ago

Great analysis and insight! Thanks for sharing

short_sells_poo 5 hours ago

I never thought of it this way, but now it's clear.

I found that once I tack on luggage, a seat with more space, etc.. they become more expensive than traditional airlines with the same package.

In other words, their business model really seems to be to cater to the "least hassle" passengers who travel light and don't need any extras.