Comment by owenversteeg

Comment by owenversteeg 9 hours ago

7 replies

In short: it plays far too well (~2500 ELO.) People think it originally played at a reasonable level and accidentally got more powerful as the seatback computers got more powerful; the same thing happened to the Mac chess app with the release of the M1.

xxs 7 hours ago

>Mac chess app with the release of the M1.

That would be exceptionally sloppy development. Phones have had more than enough power for long enough. 4 core Skylake (Mac 2016) would be well beyond human capabilities, if it's just raw power.

The "thinking" (difficult) limit should be considered moves ahead, both depth and count. With a possible limit to time, if there is any time control.

  • dominicrose 6 hours ago

    I'm guessing the app got better precisely because there was a time limit.

  • epolanski 2 hours ago

    Even a computer from 20+ years ago will comfortably crush Carlsen, it really goes down to the specific engine used, chess engines have evolved a lot during the years.

    Carlsen knows how to play anti-bot chess where some engines may struggle, but that only applies to amateurish engines.

anthk 6 hours ago

Eh, no. A single Core Duo would be enough to challenge most masters with GNUChess or StockFish, no Apple fanboyism it's needed.

Heck; even Nanochess was rough for a novice like me, and that on an n270 CPU.

  • _diyar 5 hours ago

    The idea is that there is a time limit for each move, and that the faster processors can do more work in the same time and thus have higher elo.

  • kimixa 5 hours ago

    I think the issue is that people limited compute time as a proxy for difficulty.

    In that case you'll hit issues on any device that performs significantly differently from that which it was tuned in.

    Though I am slightly amused by people using the apple chip as an example of "high performance" in a problem that scales very well with threading.

    • anthk 4 hours ago

      Precisely a Core Duo and a custom build with -O3 -ffast-math (a Chess engine doesn't requiere anything further from integers) and -march=$YOUR_CPU_THERE can yield crazy performance speeds without needing an m4 and a great match even for masters.