Comment by postalcoder

Comment by postalcoder a day ago

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Modern UI design has trended toward hiding more and more things. I think it's super useful to expose a new, hyper-malleable control surface to the user (the stream deck is popular for a reason!). If the touchbar was ubiquitous, competition would force developers to think more deeply about interaction design and building apps that thoughtfully use it.

Adoption engenders development, and development engenders adoption. All of the best use cases of a touch bar are ones we would have seen had such a virtuous cycle been allowed to occur.

mcpeepants 21 hours ago

> hyper-malleable control surface [...] (the stream deck is popular for a reason!).

I agree with the sentiment - making a control surface that adapts to the user's current task makes total sense to me, and is a compelling feature in theory.

The execution (and how the touchbar differs from the Stream Deck) is where I think the argument falls apart. There is effectively zero ability to navigate the touchbar without using your eyes and taking your focus off the display, and your work. The Stream Deck can easily be used without looking. A static grid of real buttons whose function changes within context is a more useful implementation in the real world, even though it is technically _less_ capable.

IMO the touchbar concept is flawed in exactly in the same way as the modern car user interface.

Wyverald 21 hours ago

Why put it above the _keyboard_, though? what you described sounds just like the macOS menu bar, but perhaps a bit more customizable. Why not just do that (make the menu bar more customizable)?

As a user of the touch bar, I _hated_ having to look down from the screen, and move my hands away from the keyboard home row / touchpad area, _all the way up_ to the touchbar area to finally use it. It completely breaks the flow every single time. I don't think just inserting physical Fn keys beneath it would have won me over at all.

I'm not familiar with the stream deck, haven't even heard of it until just now.