Comment by TheDong

Comment by TheDong 2 days ago

The phrase was "apple is hostile to this kind of effort". "This kind of effort" is, I suppose, running non-official software on Apple hardware in general.

iOS and the third-party app store court battles makes it clear to me that Apple is actively hostile here.

It would have taken less work for apple to implement the EU "third-party app store" regulation as "anyone can install a 3rd party app store if they jump through enough hoops". They instead require that you live in the EU, as verified through many factors. They break it if you take too long of a vacation, they make using your new right to install a 3rd party app store as difficult as they can.

Apple clearly does not value user freedom nor users abilities to install their own software on their own devices. Apple would rather old iPhones and iPods become useless e-waste bricks than release an EoL update to unlock the bootloader and let you install linux to turn that old iPod touch into a garage remote, or photo-frame, or whatever.

exidy 2 days ago

Sorry but no. The comment I replied to was specifically referring to running Asahi Linux. This is not "Apple hardware in general" but specifically "Apple Silicon Macs".[0]

Your comments about iPads/iPhones may well be true but not relevant to my point. See also the comment from user Kina upthread.

[0] https://asahilinux.org/

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TheDong a day ago

> specifically referring to running Asahi Linux.
Asahi linux would have been "a company that's extremely hostile to this effort."
They instead said "a company that's extremely hostile to this _kind of_ effort", which turns it into a broader category, which I believe quite reasonably includes their hostility to general "using their devices outside of the apple walled garden".
If you're going to be pedantic, please at least be correct, but "this kind of" clearly makes it more broad than just asahi linux itself.

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- exidy a day ago
  
  I'm sorry, but you're wrong again. Person I responded to was replying to a comment around webcam drivers on a M2 mac mini. They wrote:
  "the Asahi team have been doing incredible work .." -> the team working on porting Linux to Apple Silicon Macs.
  "They just chose to do it on the hardware of a company that's extremely hostile to this kind of effort."
  They -> Asahi Linux Team
  it -> (note the singular) porting Asahi Linux
  the hardware -> Apple Silicon Macs
  a company -> Apple
  My comment (the one you responded to): "it would have been shot down", (note the singular) it -> porting Asahi Linux.
  You cannot torture the sentence to encompass the broader Apple ecosystem when the the subject is very obviously and solely the Asahi Linux team and Apple Silicon Macs. You're welcome to your views, just drop them somewhere more relevant next time.
  
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