Comment by kirubakaran 18 hours ago
Since you're an Obsidian user, can I please get your feedback on https://hyperclast.com/ which I'm building?
(I'm not quite ready to do a Show HN yet, so please don't post it, but I'm ready for some early feedback if you'll indulge me)
+1 to that. As a user, I am tired of having to sign up for an account on a SaaS website or installing an app from Github, only to realize the UI isn't a good fit for me. This will usually result in me bouncing from the app website instead of trying it out.
Suggestion: have a non-login demo available on your website, and high-res screenshots/animed gif of the app in action on your Github repo.
The only thing I'll say is that it's great to see the feedback in this thread applied. It became very obvious to me what the tool is for and an abstract idea of what I can do with it.
However as others have said:
- A demo video would do a lot for your product.
- nit: Real-time markdown -> change to something that emphasizes collaboration/collaborative editing. For two reason - it's a much more familiar term in the space you are building and it's easier to understand (I think) for more people.
- A sample workspace (either public or a "starter workspace" that's available by default in a new account) that is non-trivial would be great to showcase your product. Look at obsidian using obsidian itself for it's own documentation site.
- Your about page is very well written - I wonder if you can pull up somethings from there onto the main page. https://hyperclast.com/about/
I didn't sign up yet however so can't provide more feedback.
Thank you so much, I'll improve those points. I agree that a sample workspace would be great. I'm going to work on that today.
Disclaimer: I'm not your target audience, I don't care about collaboration or performance.
- There's a heavy emphasis on performance. Are you sure customers care about that more than real time collaboration and self hosting? (I don't think they care about CRDTs.)
- If I am experiencing pain because eg my Notion wiki is too big and is having serious performance issues, what I want to hear immediately is how you are going to help me migrate from Notion to your solution. Notion has a feature to export an entire workspace; can you ingest that and get me spun up with your product?
- If I hear something is open source I expect to be able to try it out immediately without logging in. It looks like you can do that but when you hit "Get Started" it puts you into a registration flow.
- You might take a look at how Zed is marketing themselves, they have a similar pitch (performance + realtime collaboration). The first thing they try to show you is a video where they demo the product and show how fast it is. (I think they focus too much on performance though.)
- The frontend is a web app right? If possible rather than a video, embed the interface in your landing page. If possible, let them share their document and try out collaborating on it with someone or with another browser tab. Give them an opportunity to be impressed.
I respect anyone who posts their work. Best of luck.
Thank you!
> There's a heavy emphasis on performance. Are you sure customers care about that more than real time collaboration and self hosting?
- Good point, I'll find out
> Notion has a feature to export an entire workspace; can you ingest that and get me spun up with your product?
Yes, I'm almost done with this feature
> If I hear something is open source I expect to be able to try it out immediately without logging in. It looks like you can do that but when you hit "Get Started" it puts you into a registration flow.
I link to that elsewhere in the page: https://hyperclast.com/dev/ I'll look into making this more prominent.
> You might take a look at how Zed is marketing themselves
Thanks, will do
> embed the interface in your landing page
Great idea, I'll do that!
FWIW re: performance, I love Obsidian, but performance is it's one main downside for me. I could care less about the real-time collaboration (they are my notes, not for team consumption, I'll share a file somewhere else for that) or self-hosting (sync so my notes exist wherever I am is more important to me than hosting them anywhere, again, my notes are private on purpose; obviously that isn't the case for everyone).
Anyways, just a counter-point to the commenter you were replying to.
I use Obsidian a lot, but very few extra features or plugins. My first impression is that I don’t get what you’re making from the website. Any tool worth using in this space (which I vaguely understand to be using large collections of Markdown and/or realtime multiediting) is fast. Obsidian is fast. Zed is fast. It’s table stakes for the kind of person who would use this already.
Is it just Zed + Obsidian? A good knowledge base that scales well and uses plain markdown, but has the fancy multi edit stuff?
Thanks, I mentioned "fast" to differentiate it from Notion, which becomes super slow as you add more and more pages.
Obsidian and Zed are desktop apps, whereas Hyperclast is web-based. Obsidian isn't multi-player, and not really meant for teams.
I am aware of the current issues with open source licensing, but for my needs I don’t trust the elastic style licensing, especially when it claims to be open source but I can’t fork it to protect myself from a future rug pull situation.
I currently use Dendron in VS Code. Dendron is basically abandonware at this point because it couldn’t be monetized, but because it’s Apache licensed, I can fork it if I want, and continue to use it until something better comes along, or even modify it for my own needs.
It’s very hard to be successful financially in this space. Notion did it at the right time, but they are targeting enterprises who are willing to give their data to them, not individuals who want to run their own setup.
Maybe you can compete with Notion, but I’m not willing to put my stuff in a system that may not be around in a couple years, and I don’t have a license for.
You need something "more" on the website before you ask people to create an account. "Team workspace that stays fast" isn’t clear enough for me, at least. What is a workspace? What does the interface look like? Is it in the browser? Is it an app?
People will go "what is this?", "huh, I’m not gonna make a user for this, can’t tell what it is". Those are my 2 cents.