Comment by mschuster91

Comment by mschuster91 8 hours ago

> Kind of surprised Japan lets foreigners with criminal records stay in the country.

Many countries have no issue with that, serving time is considered enough of a punishment. The idea of (especially mandatory) deporting of criminals is relatively new, driven primarily by the far-right.

IMHO it is unethical for two reasons - first, it violates the principle of every human being equal under the law because clearly non-citizens have a second punishment on top, second because in many cases (although not in this one) the target country isn't equipped to deal with serious criminals - that's how the US got MS-13 and other gangs causing trouble in South America in the first place.

anonymous908213 7 hours ago

Deporting criminals is in no way a new concept. In fact, it used to be commonplace to deport your own citizens, not just foreigners. The modern nation of Australia exists as a result of such a policy! Japan will certainly deport you for drug-related offenses or violent crimes, but like most places, white collar crime is not treated as "real crime", even though the impacts are usually more severe than a simple shoplifting or robbery.

Incidentally, if Germany had deported a foreigner who led an attempted coup d'etat, perhaps it would have saved tens of millions of lives. The things people get away with a slap on the wrist for...

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killingtime74 6 hours ago

Nit pick, Australia was founded on transportation, not deportation. Australia was not a foreign country until many years after.

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mschuster91 7 hours ago

> Deporting criminals is in no way a new concept.
Whoops. Yeah, worded the original post badly. My intent was that it is relatively new that this is a policy under active (and heated) discussion.
> In fact, it used to be commonplace to deport your own citizens, not just foreigners. The modern nation of Australia exists as a result of such a policy!
Which just proves my last point... it's in almost all scenarios really really bad for the destination country. The Australian Indigenous people have been driven to the point of extinction by that policy.
> Incidentally, if Germany had deported a foreigner who led an attempted coup d'etat, perhaps it would have saved tens of millions of lives.
German here. I don't think it would have changed much. Sure, Hitler was undoubtedly charismatic... but even the most charismatic demagogue needs a desperate populace. If it weren't Hitler, someone else would have risen - a lot of powerful interests were aiming for the final collapse of the Weimar Republic, which is part of the reason why Hitler got off with a slap on the wrist, and part of the reason why he did get elected legitimately a decade later.

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ilamont 6 hours ago

> Many countries have no issue with that, serving time is considered enough of a punishment. The idea of (especially mandatory) deporting of criminals is relatively new

Paul McCartney would like to have a word with you.

Not just Japan. For decades, SE Asian countries such as Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia have deported foreign convicts upon release and applied re-entry bans. It's not a new thing driven by right-wing politicians.

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