Comment by CrossVR

Comment by CrossVR 4 hours ago

6 replies

You are the one who's deliberately missing the point. The EU accepted the findings from the US and took regulatory action.

Whereas the US ignores the findings from the EU, refuses to take regulatory actions against big tech, enacts sanctions against EU officials and calls for the disbandment of the entire union.

A bit of an overreaction at the very least wouldn't you say?

fidotron 4 hours ago

What are you on about?

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/24/uk-franc...

That's the UK, France and Germany lobbying to keep the emissions tests inadequate so VW can continue.

> Whereas the US ignores the findings from the EU

What findings? That X acts as a forum for openly contradicting centrally decreed EU dogma and thus needs to be shut up? That's not a winning argument.

  • CrossVR 4 hours ago

    You're still missing the point. Imagine an alternate reality where the EU denied any of the US findings and instead backed up VW in their assertions they've done no wrong. They then levied sanctions against multiple senators that advocated in favor of the Clean Air act and called for the US to disband.

    Does that sound reasonable?

    > That's the UK, France and Germany lobbying to keep the emissions tests inadequate so VW can continue.

    I'm sure there are many states within the U.S. that are currently lobbying for even less regulation of Big Tech.

    • fidotron 4 hours ago

      The US found VW breaking US and EU laws. The EU has found [tech cos] supposedly breaking EU laws only and keep inventing nonsense to try and force their ideals on the rest of the world. It's boring, hence the (minor) sanctions on these individuals to get them to stop wasting everyone's time.

      If the EU want to block parts of the Internet off then go for it. Just don't pretend it's everyone else's fault that it's embracing mass censorship and that this is in any way compatible with the values of the enlightenment.

      • CrossVR 3 hours ago

        So you're saying that if the EU had less strict laws then such a reaction would've been appropriate? Then it would've been totally reasonable for the EU to sanction US senators to stop wasting everyone's time with their air quality standards?

        • fidotron 3 hours ago

          > So you're saying . . .

          I'm using words to say what I mean, not what you are hallucinating, so I will clearly state for the final time:

          VW was caught, by US authorities, violating EU laws, and it transpired that EU officials had been lobbying to enable VW and other EU champions to continue to do so.

          The equivalent would be the EU catching US companies violating freedom of speech in the US, and clearly pointing this out. This is not what the EU have been doing.

          My root reply in this thread was flagged, despite being stunningly milquetoast, in a transparent attempt to hide any inconvenient dissenting view, which is precisely what the EU are trying to do.

      • saubeidl 3 hours ago

        "Their ideals" being not deceiving consumers and giving researchers access to data, as required in our market.

        Why is whatever law VW broke "real", while these are "nonsense"?