Comment by derelicta

Comment by derelicta 4 hours ago

34 replies

See thats why one needs a sovereign financial and banking system. But tbh, Europeans deserve it, for they use and abuse of sanctions themselves, as some of Swiss citizens can attest.

drooopy 4 hours ago

Are you referring to Jacques Baud who has been sanctioned recently because he has been working as a mouthpiece of the russian government?

  • vfclists 3 hours ago

    In the same way John Mearsheimer and Jeffrey Sachs are mouthpieces of the Russian govt?

    Since when is it OK for governments to sanction people when they are lawfully expressing disagreement with Govt policies or views?

    • mopsi 2 hours ago

        > Since when is it OK for governments to sanction people when they are lawfully expressing disagreement with Govt policies or views?
      
      When it stops being a disagreement over policy and becomes a paid job for a foreign government to spread as much malicious FUD as possible.

      The former commander of Russian ground forces recently gave a long interview in which he said that the Russian army was on the verge of total collapse in the fall of 2022, when Ukrainian forces were pushing them back during the highly successful Kharkiv counteroffensive. Mearsheimer, Sachs, et al played a vital role in spreading FUD and unfounded fears that led to less military support for Ukraine than was needed. As a result, hundreds of thousands more people are dead than might have been had Ukraine been supported properly.

      Mearsheimer alone has done more to deny modern weapons to Ukraine than the entire Russian air force could. In terms of ROI, he has been a spectacularly cost-effective propaganda asset. He has the blood of countless people on his hands and deserves to be hanged. But instead, he will kick the bucket due to natural causes in old age, a luxury not afforded to the children who died in their bedrooms under Russian missile attacks that Mearsheimer twisted himself into a pretzel to enable and justify.

      • throw-the-towel an hour ago

        Do you remember the name of that Russian commander, by any chance?

      • YY47923874 32 minutes ago

        Blaming a YouTube analyst for the slow pace of weapons transfers and not the EU and NATO officials who were actually responsible for said transfers is a spectacular cope. If NATO is getting marching orders from random 3rd parties on YouTube and TV networks then there are a million problems more urgent to address than Mearscheimer's analysis here.

        No, the reason for the slow trickle of weapons was because the West got high on their own supply after the successful 2022 offensives and actually thought they could break the Russian line without advanced weaponry. In that way Mearscheimer's message of caution was bang on - Ukraine should have negotiated peace when they had the upper hand, hundreds of thousands of good Ukranian and Russian men would be alive today.

        • koonsolo 14 minutes ago

          What kind of "peace" would that be? Russia is not interested in peace, or do you have evidence that suggests otherwise?

          The peace of Ukraine being neutral? Ukraine was officially neutral in 2014 (law from 2010, pushed by Russia), and see how that went.

          So again, what kind of peace are you talking about?

  • derelicta 3 hours ago

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    • TheOtherHobbes 2 hours ago

      If the people who attacked Ukraine without provocation - just as they attacked other neighbours in other regions - are attempting to bring down a democratically elected regimes across the region, so they can replace them with weak compliant puppets, the "thought crime" becomes straightforward self defence.

    • koonsolo an hour ago

      Here are some facts for you:

      When Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, they were officially neutral (law from 2010, pushed by Russia). At the time of the invasion, there was neither political nor public will to join NATO.

      Another fact: Maidan was not about joining NATO, but having equal economic ties to both Russia and EU.

      So can you acknowledge that Russia didn't invade Ukraine because of NATO expansion?

      Does it sound weird to you that after Russia's invasion in 2014, Ukraine cancelled their neutral status and wanted to join NATO?

  • newsclues 3 hours ago

    I’ve seen his interviews on YouTube and I’m not sure if he is a Russian asset or just says things contrary to the western narrative. There is a propaganda war.

    So what hard evidence that he is working for the Russians?

  • YY348762378 3 hours ago

    Jaques Baud is not a "mouthpiece". He has never appeared on Russian state TV and has taken great pains to avoid citing Russian sources in his analysis. The problem is that what he has been saying about the Ukraine war (that the war is not winnable and peace should be negotiated as soon as possible) is dangerous as to European leadership.

    • TheOtherHobbes 2 hours ago

      It's not remotely dangerous to the European leadership.

      It is dangerous to EU citizens who are on the receiving end of a campaign to radicalise national governments with far-right Russian-funded puppet regimes which will - clearly, as we can see in the US - be absolutely hostile to existing freedoms.

      • YY49837439287 an hour ago

        If they don't want far-right Russian puppets to win then they should actually respond to the wants and needs of their voters instead of scolding anyone who goes against their neoliberal warmonger groupthink as "pro-Russian", whatever that means. They're only digging their own graves if they think denying reality will save them.

      • modo_mario 2 hours ago

        Honestly I feel like people won't care and the sanctioning helps less and less if it doesn't do the opposite.

        They feel like repeatedly the baby was thrown out with the bathwater wrt migration and the like despite popular opinion being very much against those. Often getting no genuine choice of opposition that wasn't fringe right.

        Now I know so many people who will in turn throw out the bathwater containing their national or supranational interests, rule of law (that limited their options), etc. People who one will struggle to reach across the isle... and it was utterly predictable.

    • derelicta 2 hours ago

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      • koonsolo 24 minutes ago

        You are correct, everybody should go for peace.

        The Munich agreement of 1938 also prevented a lot of deaths, so I really can't understand why the don't want to do the same peace deal today.

avianlyric 3 hours ago

> See thats why one needs a sovereign financial and banking system.

You mean a sovereign financial and banking system like the one currently freezing some $200B of Russian assets? Yeah I think the EU already has one of those.

looperhacks 4 hours ago

Can you explain what sanctions impact swiss citizens?

  • sakex 3 hours ago

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    • peterfirefly an hour ago

      You can't just hold a referendum to decide the relations between Switzerland and the EU -- the EU also gets to have a say. We have been incredibly patient with Switzerland in this regard but it can't continue. You must respect the agreements we already have with you and you cannot dictate the terms of new agreements with us.

      (Background: some of the agreements with Switzerland have run out and we need new ones to replace them. Both sides continue as if the old agreements are still valid, Switzerland because it would hurt the country enormously if we didn't, the EU because it avoids antagonizing Switzerland and because it would slightly annoying if we didn't. We can literally take our marbles and go home without breaking any treaties with Switzerland. Many Swiss don't seem to understand that.)

    • orwin an hour ago

      Gun ownership is legal in France, why would EU care about it in Switzerland? Are you sure this information is from a trustworthy source? The rest I see where you're coming from, but this particular bit sounds like propaganda to me.

    • simion314 3 hours ago

      >If we don't comply, they will impose sanctions. They are even trying to make gun ownership illegal in Switzerland...

      UK is the proof that nobody is forced to be part of EU or have good relations with EU. EU also forces food not contain excrements, where is your freedom to buy food with exfements? As you can see I can also say ridiculous things.

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  • OKRainbowKid 3 hours ago

    Which "leftists" have monopolized the EU? What positions do they have to exert that kind of power, and what parties are they affiliated with?

    Or is the EPP with the likes of Weber and von der Leyen "leftist" now? You have move quite far towards the extreme right for traditional conservative politicians to appear "leftist" to you.

  • WA 2 hours ago

    Nationalism is on the rise in most EU countries and they get away with saying all kinds of things you apparently dream about, but feel censored to say. The tale of lacking free speech is a lie.

    Free speech in the EU is different from the US. Insulting people is not considered free speech in the EU. Calling "fire" in a packed cinema wrongly is not covered by free speech in the EU.

    You can say a lot of things, but you might feel social pressure, which is a feature, not a bug.

  • Phelinofist 3 hours ago

    Can you give examples of the little freedom of speech?

  • Kim_Bruning 3 hours ago

    By "conservative/nationalist", do you mean <MAGA-Aligned> , like PVV or AFD?