Comment by therobots927

Comment by therobots927 7 hours ago

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Ironically this can cause a lot of senior engineers to double down on conservative practices and fail to innovate or take risk imo. I’ve worked with several people at a higher level than me with more work experience who were for all effects and purposes complete idiots.

albert_e an hour ago

Not trying to counter your post but this reminded me of this --

"Have you ever noticed that everyone who drives slower than you is an idiot, and everyone who drives faster than you is a maniac?"

Though I agree there are some folks who resist change while others who seem to jump into new things without enough care about hard lessons of the past. And sometimes you are the one trying to keep things sane and mitigate risks while majority of your team seem to treat you as a joyless guy who always sees risks and drawbacks.

bravetraveler 3 hours ago

'Principal' engineer here, looking to perfect being the idiot! Knowing how to do things, and being known for it, has been an endless source of heartburn. All to say, I think there's wisdom at play. Even there.

Having 'innovated and taken risk', juice is rarely worth the squeeze. Watercooler is too crowded and layoffs too arbitrary. A middling job rewards exactly as well. Reliably.

  • ChrisMarshallNY 3 hours ago

    I don’t know how to do almost every project I take on[0]. I’m finding LLMs to be a godsend. Helps me to learn stuff, without the sneering.

    [0] https://littlegreenviper.com/miscellany/thats-not-what-ships...

    • bravetraveler 3 hours ago

      That's great (unironically) for you and the shareholders. I've lost the joy of learning things, honestly. After two decades of skill-building and 98% of it being utterly useless, I have a certain complex.

      Said another way: the job needs 2+2, rewards poorly, and I'm too tired for Calculus.

      • ChrisMarshallNY 2 hours ago

        No shareholders. I'm retired, after a long career, doing stuff I found meaningful, but never really earned me huge piles of money. Being retired has been wonderful. I get to learn whatever the heck I want. I still make stuff that is meaningful, but I don't make money at it (which isn't actually a bad thing).

        I guess finding a meaningful life has always been more important to me, than being rewarded in money. I know that makes me a mutant, around these parts, but that's how I roll.

      • sumanthvepa 2 hours ago

        Learn for yourself then. I run my own company and learning new stuff so I can use it in my business is one of the few joys of being the owner. No permission required to try the new hotness (And if you screw up -- you have only yourself to blame.)

        • bravetraveler 2 hours ago

          Ah, well, I need a business for this advice to meaningfully change anything :) Sounds like a lot of work.

          I have been learning for myself, that's a category of useless. Would've been better spent knitting; therapy for applying the useful 2%.

      • ChrisMarshallNY 3 hours ago

        I think we have to enjoy what we learn. I have no motivation at all, to learn stuff I don't like doing.

        In my case, I really enjoy coding, and making stuff that people use.

        Part of the impediments that I have encountered, is other people's attitudes. As long as co-workers and technical peers thought of me as "competition," they would deliberately make it difficult for me to access the stuff I needed to learn.

        LLMs have absolutely no fear of me, and gladly give me exactly what I need (sometimes, too much).

        • bravetraveler 2 hours ago

          I'm glad to hear LLMs help you out. They don't, here. Learning isn't the issue: I already have a wealth of information I can't put to use, or perhaps more accurately: won't be sufficiently rewarded for.

          Perhaps I could use them for the parts I don't enjoy. Or I could... not.

          It's all a wash, I guess is my point. While we're out here working, leagues are idling. I aspire to be more like them.