Comment by nine_k

Comment by nine_k 17 hours ago

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Not "never exploit"; Reason and BuckleScript are examples of different "language skins" for OCaml.

The problem with "skins" is that they create variety where people strive for uniformity to lower the cognitive load. OTOH transparent switching between skins (about as easy as changing the tab sizes) would alleviate that.

brabel 16 hours ago

> OTOH transparent switching between skins (about as easy as changing the tab sizes) would alleviate that.

That's one of my hopes for the future of the industry: people will be able to just choose the code style and even syntax family (which you're calling skin) they prefer when editing code, and it will be saved in whatever is the "default" for the language (or even something like the Unison Language: store the AST directly which allows cool stuff like de-duplicating definitions and content-addressable code - an idea I first found out on the amazing talk by Joe Armstrong, "The mess we're in" [1]).

Rust, in particular, would perhaps benefit a lot given how a lot of people hate its syntax... but also Lua for people who just can't stand the Pascal-like syntax and really need their C-like braces to be happy.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKXe3HUG2l4

dualogy 4 hours ago

> transparent switching between skins (about as easy as changing the tab sizes)

One of my pet "not today but some day" project ideas. In my case, I wanted to give Python/Gdscript syntax to any & all the curly languages (a potential boon to all users of non-Anglo keyboard layouts), one by one, via VSCode extension that implements a virtual filesystem over the real one which translates back & forth the syntaxes during the load/edit/save cycle. Then the whole live LSP background running for the underlying real source files and resurfacing that in the same extension with line-number matchings etc.

Anyone, please steal this idea and run with it, I'm too short on time for it for now =)

  • Orygin 40 minutes ago

    I want to do the opposite: Give curly braces to all the indentation based languages. Explicit is better than implicit, auto format is better than guessing why some block of code was executed outside my if statement.

cibyr 17 hours ago

People fight about tab sizes all the time though.

  • dbdr 16 hours ago

    That's precisely the point of using tabs for indentation: you don't need to fight over it, because it's a local display preference that does not affect the source code at all, so everyone can just configure whatever they prefer locally without affecting other people.

    The idea of "skins" is apparently to push that even further by abstracting the concrete syntax.

    • lucketone 16 hours ago

      > you don't need to fight over it, because it's a local display preference

      This has limits.

      Files produced with tab=2 and others with tab=8, might have quite different result regarding nesting.

      (pain is still on the menu)

      • fc417fc802 8 hours ago

        I don't see why? Your window width will presumably be tailored to accommodate common scenarios in your preferred tab width.

        More than that, in the general case for common C like languages things should almost never be nested more than a few levels deep. That's usually a sign of poorly designed and difficult to maintain code.

        Lisps are a notable exception here, but due to limitations (arguably poor design) with how the most common editors handle lines that contain a mix of tabs and spaces you're pretty much forced to use only spaces when writing in that family of languages. If anything that language family serves as case in point - code written with an indentation width that isn't to one's preference becomes much more tedious to adapt due to alternating levels of alignment and indentation all being encoded as spaces (ie loss of information which automated tools could otherwise use).

      • philsnow 12 hours ago

        Do you mean that files produced with "wide" tabs might have hard newlines embedded more readily in longer lines? Or that maybe people writing with "narrow" tabs might be comfortable writing 6-deep if/else trees that wrap when somebody with their tabs set to wider opens the same file?