Comment by NotGMan

Comment by NotGMan a day ago

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EU was supposed to be an economic union, but it morphed into a politicaly cancerous union.

Now it's evocing emergency acts to bypass union member states when it sees fit.

On using Russian frozen assets:

>> The vote put forward by von der Leyen reframed the issue of frozen Russian assets as an economic emergency rather than a sanctions policy. This allowed the Commission to invoke Article 122 of the EU treaties, an emergency clause that permits decisions to be adopted by a qualified majority vote instead of unanimity, effectively bypassing veto threats from countries opposed to the move.

jack_tripper a day ago

>EU was supposed to be an economic union, but it morphed into a politicaly cancerous union.

The EU started with noble goals, but given enough time, the purpose of any large bureaucracy shifts to growing even larger and only existing to justify its own existence, rather than serving its original intended purpose.

Remember the "What would you say...you do here?" Bobs from Office Space where workers in useless jobs couldn't explain why their job is needed but they insisted they were needed.

You see this in the corporate world on a daily basis, but government bureaucracies are no different.

  • throwawayqqq11 a day ago

    Same can be said about private corporations. We humans still havent figured out how to structure institutions without constructive destruction in the end. Democracies and free markets both have this correctiv destruction built in and both mechanism are under attack.

    Lets hope we still get chances to vote out autocrats peacefully and smash oligopols as the sovereign.

    • jack_tripper 21 hours ago

      >Same can be said about private corporations.

      Didn't I say the same thing?

      >We humans still havent figured out how to structure institutions without constructive destruction in the end.

      And we never will. There's nothing to figure out here, since human greed is constant everywhere. No matter what perfect system you think you create, over time, power hungry greedy sociopaths climb to the top, and steer it to favor them and their cronies until it collapses.

      • throwawayqqq11 20 hours ago

        There is something to find out. In small scale tribes, hierarchies were presumably much more flat societies more egalitarian.

        https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4143610/

        I guess it's still an unsolved organisational problem around communication and transparency.

        • jack_tripper 19 hours ago

          Countries are not tribes anymore. They're economic zones made for capital generation and accumulation.

0dayz a day ago

What exactly is this a cancerous "union"?

And the EU was always meant to be political, even the EEC was political since I have no clue how you form economic ties without passing legislation.

If anything the EU was built to respect sovereignty of a member state than a union considering they have to evoke emergency power to avoid violating that sovereignty.

saubeidl a day ago

> EU was supposed to be an economic union, but it morphed into a politicaly cancerous union.

That's not true. To quote its founding document:

> lay the foundations of an ever closer union among the peoples of Europe

https://www.cvce.eu/content/publication/1999/1/1/cca6ba28-0b...

  • mytailorisrich a day ago

    This is not what the people asked for, wanted, or were told, though. The issue is the insiduous nature of the "ever closer union" that advances by stealth, deception, manufacturing consent over time, and sometimes by just ignoring what the people have said.

    And then, now and then the people suddenly realise, too late, that on an ever growing range of issues their country has become powerless because a change of policy is either no longer within the country's power and is banned under EU law and treaties... and the web is being woven tighter and tigher little by little.

    There is no support in member states for leaving the EU or dismantling the EU. "Eurosceptimism" is by and large only wanting to loosen and restrict EU oversight of member states(which again has been the main debate for decades) but even that is anathema and "far right", which should really raise red flags in people's minds even without going full conspirationist.

    • saubeidl a day ago

      > "the people"

      You are not the people and you do not speak for them. You are one person, just as I am. I want this, and I was told this - clearly, it's in the founding charta!

      Right wing populists always pull this parlor trick of framing their views as the views of the people. The people have many different views, you do not speak for us.