Comment by grvbck

Comment by grvbck a day ago

16 replies

> Gizmodo reached out to Grok-developer xAI for comment, but they have only responded with the usual automated reply, “Legacy Media Lies.”

European here, so perhaps not my place to have an opinion on domestic U.S. legal policies, and I don't want to make this political (although I guess it kind of is…) BUT:

Why are no media outlets on the offense when companies use these kinds of statements? Shouldn't Gizmodo, or its owner Keleops Media, treat this as slander and take it to court? If Grok's behavior can be objectively verified, why is it so easy for a company to get off the hook so easily just by saying "lies" and move on?

alsetmusic a day ago

USA citizen. I've so much lost faith in our media that this hadn't even occurred to me. You're right. This should be front and center and embarrassing the owner (that guy) every day.

breve a day ago

> Shouldn't Gizmodo, or its owner Keleops Media, treat this as slander and take it to court?

Slander is spoken. In print it's libel.

clanky a day ago

To get anywhere filing some kind of claim over this, Gizmodo would have to prove in court:

- The "Legacy Media Lies" was targeted at Gizmodo

- It was a false allegation (i.e. they might have to go through huge amounts of discovery as the defense tried to establish a single instance of dishonesty in past reporting)

- Grok/xAI knew the allegation was false

- The allegation caused such-and-such amount in damages

dm270 a day ago

Also european here. I would assume that it's not slander if it is a direct reply.

naian 20 hours ago

You’ll find it easy to prove that the legacy media has lied an uncountable amount of times, so it’s going to be hard to prove that this statement is slanderous.

  • danielschreber 13 hours ago

    As I barely passed calculus, I have no idea whatsoever how to prove that the cardinality of the set of legacy media lies is ℵ₁.

arielcostas 21 hours ago

Fellow european here, the problem is they need to prove both than the statements are false ("legacy media lies" probably means you need to prove you haven't ever lied) plus show actual malice (intent to harm the plaintiff, in this case, Gizmodo, or acting with reckless disregard for the truth).

kotaKat a day ago

They'll just change the autoresponder to a shit emoji again.

notslander a day ago

Another european here (very important fact)

Also not slander when its the pure truth verifiable with daily evidence

  • throwawayqqq11 a day ago

    When you have the pure truth, why would you silently dismiss questions about your truth bot and not blast it 24/7?

    Because right wingers cant handle criticsm. They dont want to correct, they want to silence their outgroups. Professionals would have at least replied with some meaningless PR text wall.

  • beepbooptheory a day ago

    What goes into the "purity" of a truth? Are there impure truths?

    • Suzuran a day ago

      Yes; A half-truth is a lie by omission.

      For example, "Mom, there's a candy wrapper under (my brother)'s bed!" is a true statement, but the pure truth is "Mom, I ate a candy without permission and put the wrapper under (my brother)'s bed so he would be blamed for the missing candy!"

      I am attempting to convey a lie by telling a truth and omitting details that would give context to that truth.

      • beepbooptheory 20 hours ago

        I believe you are referring to "whole truths," which yes we teach to children and swear on the stand in court. A "pure" truth carries different connotation here I think, and is not said in general.

        • Suzuran 18 hours ago

          Since GP might not have English as their first language (their post points out that they are European) I assumed the choice of "pure" was a translation of their language's equivalent to "whole" and therefore being treated as equivalent.