Comment by userbinator

Comment by userbinator 2 days ago

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Some recommend non-edible petrol-based mineral oil (aka liquid parrafin) because it doesn’t go rancid, but has the same effect of not actually doing much for protection and will leak into hot liquids.

Highly-refined mineral oil is food-safe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mineral_oil#Food_preparation

Why even use wood if you’re going to cover it in a layer of clear plastic?

I find it amusing that those who will use wood or "natural" (petroleum is also naturally occurring...) products for some sort of weird misguided eco-virtue-signaling, inevitably end up needing to basically reinvent the chemistry of finding an inert, durable material that brought us modern plastics. All these drying oils create a layer of polymerised material, which can be classed as plastic anyway. Waxes, regardless of source, attribute their properties to long hydrocarbon chains, just like polyethylene.

alin23 a day ago

Author here, I was mostly referring to the practice of coating the wood in a layer of smooth plastic that makes the wood not feel and look like wood anymore. It's like something that you want to keep encased forever.

I'm of the same opinion as you, drying oil polymers are still plastic, it's just that their method of curing makes them look better on wood, most likely because of the very thin layer that remains at the surface, but also because of the polymer surface texture.

Every epoxy resin, even the more penetrant ones, end up looking like plastic on wood, not sure how else to describe it.

But in terms of chemistry, food safety and how inert they are, they are indistinguishable.

I'm also aware mineral oil is food safe, I was trying to say that it will leak into the hot food and not stay in the wood fibers, which renders the finish useless after just one use.

  • michaelbarton 21 hours ago

    I really enjoyed your article. In regard to the parent comment: it’s also enough to say “I enjoy this and this is how I want to spend my time”. So what if it’s reinventing the wheel - the act of learning and crafting itself can be immensely satisfying regardless of the end result.

    I came at your article from a slightly different perspective. Rubio monocoat is quite expensive, especially if you’re trying to run a business selling products coated in it. You’re probably already aware, but I think base Rubio is essentially oil + carnauba + a small amount of paraffin. I make large pieces of furniture, and finishing with Rubio can go through multiple cans! So making my own finish has become a priority. That’s not even accounting for Blacktail Studio coating too.

abdullahkhalids a day ago

There is a large difference between extracting fossil fuels from the ground and using substances extracted from plants. Only one of them is renewable, and hence the only sustainable way for the human species to live.

  • evilos a day ago

    Yes but it is important not to confuse the source with the form.

    For example we can create hydrocarbons using solar/wind energy and that is still "renewable" even though hydrocarbons are involved. They are merely the medium of energy storage.

    • throwaway173738 a day ago

      Call me when the hydrocarbons we buy off the shelf are actually made from wind and solar. Until that day you’re still arguing for the artificiality of a real distinction.

      • bluGill a day ago

        How much are you willing to pay? https://renewablelube.com/ mostly plant based for the solar source. In general about 5x the price of pumped oil, and they may not last as long. I've bought for them before, no other relation

      • adrian_b a day ago

        Technologies of making synthetic fuel using energy, water and carbon dioxide are a century old and they have been used for producing great quantities is special circumstances when the price did not matter, e.g. by Germany during WWII (though at that time they produced cabon monoxide by burning coal, instead of reducing carbon dioxide from air, because this was cheaper).

        The only reason why they are not used now is that the current price of fossil oil is significantly lower.

        There is research to develop more efficient methods for the synthesis of hydrocarbons, based on the electrolytic reduction of carbon dioxide, but their progress is slow, in good part because such critical research is funded much less than frivolous research, such as that for AGI.

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  • FpUser a day ago

    >"Only one of them is renewable, and hence the only sustainable way for the human species to live"

    Irrelevant for spoon making, too few of those ;)

  • userbinator a day ago

    Guess where the fossil fuels came from...?

    • culi a day ago

      marine plankton and algae in the Mesozoic & Cenozoic eras mostly. Hardly considered renewable unless you plan to cover the earth in large warm shallow seas with the right tectonic conditions to deposit dead marine life instead of allowing it to rapidly decompose

      • userbinator a day ago

        From biological matter. You are made of hydrocarbons as is every other living thing on this planet.

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levocardia a day ago

I have used a 50/50 blend of food-safe mineral oil and beeswax with good success on my little hobby projects (and as a regular treatment for my cutting board) but admittedly I'm not making ladles you'd dip into boiling soup, so I paid less attention to the extreme temperature issue

techsystems 16 hours ago

>All these drying oils create a layer of polymerised material, which can be classed as plastic anyway.

No, that is absolutely not the case.

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dekhn 2 days ago

Ah yes: "Congratulations! You have just completed the cycle of recapitulating the collection of processes which have brought us the present!"

  • vpribish 2 days ago

    well, it's an arts and crafts project and they may value avoiding petrochemical products in the end-product. regardless it's interesting to work through that whole process instead of just accepting it.