Comment by epolanski

Comment by epolanski 2 hours ago

9 replies

As an European, I'd rather have a trade war, than bend 90 degrees.

But the EU commission will bend and sell us out, the same way it's selling european privacy to security and data companies lobbying it (just check how many times Thorn, Palantir et al have met with EU officials, lobbying is recorded and publicly accessible).

mrdevlar 2 hours ago

It's a tactic, agree to the deal, the US ignores us. Allow the deal to get destroyed in parliament and the courts and it has no effect. The deal was a means by which to get enough time to figure out the correct response. We've been doing this kind of thing for decades.

  • furyg3 an hour ago

    This is the way. The current US administration is a 2 year old with ADHD and shiny distractions abound. Agree to deals and let him claim wins, and then bury it in bureaucracy and common sense.

    This is, essentially, how the US government survived Trump 1.0, and is why Trump 2.0 has been so concerned with gutting bureaucracy and placing vapid yes-men in the cabinet, but they can't really do that in Europe.

    It's one of the few times where EU bureaucracy is a huge advantage.

  • consp an hour ago

    While this is true, be ware of lobbying using it for other means.

jimbohn 40 minutes ago

The problem with accepting yet another blackmail (or else trade war, or else NATO doesn't really exist anymore) is just a slippery slope. Not the first request that was made like this, not the last.

>lobbying is recorded and publicly accessible

As in the meeting dates or the actual talks? Mind dropping a link?

  • epolanski 31 minutes ago

    https://transparency-register.europa.eu/search-register-or-u...

    For each lobbying company/group you can download a pdf listing all their activities.

    Of course, we don't know what happens beyond the official encounters, as there is no legal requirement to report "I bumped into X lobbyist in a restaurant and we had a chat".

    • jimbohn 22 minutes ago

      I see, interesting, thank you. Yeah, sadly this could be just transparency theater, glad it's there, it's a start.

rsynnott 2 hours ago

I mean, the commission said it "intends to accept". Given the EC's legendary lightning-fast speed, that presumably puts the timeline long after ol' minihands is out of office, and thus irrelevant.

Even when the EC actually _wants_ to do something, it typically struggles to get it done in under a decade.

  • jeroenhd 2 hours ago

    > long after ol' minihands is out of office

    The EC is not that slow when it comes to the American trade wars. The timeline suddenly shrinks to months instead of years because this stuff could majorly disrupt the economy (and safety) across the European continent.

    The EC may not fear the (mostly disinterested) European citizen body, but it does fear immediate actions by world powers.

    • disgruntledphd2 38 minutes ago

      > The EC is not that slow when it comes to the American trade wars. The timeline suddenly shrinks to months instead of years because this stuff could majorly disrupt the economy (and safety) across the European continent.

      I dunno, like the last "deal" basically makes a load of promises that the EU has no legislative ability to enforce. So it's basically just performative.

      And honestly, given that the US is gonna sell out Ukraine, then this (and most other) trade deals should be ripped up. This would hurt my country (and me) a lot, but it's probably still the right thing to do, as TACO is definitely a possibility if the US markets crash.