Comment by martijn_himself

Comment by martijn_himself 3 hours ago

This seems to be concerning but as a Dutch person who has lived in the UK for a long time the relatively recent home-grown 'fatbike' issue seems to be a much more pressing problem for Dutch road safety than this and isn't being dealt with effectively as far as I understand.

Having said that I think these American pick-ups (and large SUV's, they are part of the same problem) are a common sight here as well and should not be allowed on the road (unless maybe you can show you need one for work or business).

HendrikHensen a few seconds ago

> This seems to be concerning but as a Dutch person who has lived in the UK for a long time the relatively recent home-grown 'fatbike' issue seems to be a much more pressing problem for Dutch road safety than this and isn't being dealt with effectively as far as I understand.

This is the appeal to worse problems fallacy. Both are problems, both need to be addressed.

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patall 2 hours ago

I see those in Sweden as well. But I also know that people are stupid. And I rather have a stupid person on a stupid bike than a stupid person in an SUV. Especially since in an accident, they will lose in any case because most are likely not street legal.

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RicoElectrico an hour ago

What's wrong with fatbikes? They look stupid for sure, but otherwise?

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martijn_himself 31 minutes ago

They are routinely modified to exceed legal speed limits and owned by 10 year old or younger kids. Going nearly 30mph on a footpath whilst holding a mobile phone. I think they are also unregistered.

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- RicoElectrico 27 minutes ago
  
  Oh, you mean they're powered, right?
  
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  martijn_himself 21 minutes ago
  
  Yes- in the Netherlands the term 'fatbike' is pretty much synonymous with the battery powered bikes only (I presume elsewhere this may be different). They are mini motorcycles really- but exempt from all the rules and regulations that would apply to regular motorcycles.
  
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