Comment by n8cpdx

Comment by n8cpdx 4 hours ago

4 replies

The US is underwriting European security (and by extension various European welfare states).

Do you really want to block the import of arms and financial aid to Ukraine?

If Europeans were serious about their sovereignty they’d have made very different choices up until now.

It isn’t right that America has so much power in this circumstance, but going back decades the US has been asking for Europe to take defense seriously.

LunaSea 3 hours ago

> It isn’t right that America has so much power in this circumstance, but going back decades the US has been asking for Europe to take defense seriously.

Funny because the last time I believe that it was the US that requested help in Iraq and Afghanistan and not the other way around.

bambax 3 hours ago

Europe should certainly increase its defense spending (and actual capabilities). But the reason NATO exists isn't just to please Europe. The US have a direct interest in containing Russia; I don't think they can afford to simply stop caring about the rest of the world. And I'd be willing to test that theory.

  • disgruntledphd2 2 hours ago

    > I don't think they can afford to simply stop caring about the rest of the world.

    It seems that the policy of the current US government is to split the world between themselves, Russia and China. And I guess that's a legitimate policy, even though I think it's both impossible and incredibly misguided.

ExoticPearTree 4 hours ago

> Do you really want to block the import of arms and financial aid to Ukraine?

Umm... yes? Since this whole debacle started, the EU has been shooting itself in the foot with all the sanctions that hurts its industries.

On the other hand, the US did the smart thing and did not give out weapons for free, it charged for them.

In the end, the US will be the winner of this war and Europe will come out of it incredibly weak economically. And it will have to turn to the US for help. Again.