jack_tripper 3 hours ago

>They need to prop up dying German car companies

Germany isn't the only economy dependent on the legacy auto sector. France, Italy, Romania, Czechia, Slovakia and Belgium also have a lot of jobs, or had, in the auto industry, before the mass layoff of the last 2-3 years.

  • CalRobert 3 hours ago

    True, France does too of course, but Germany has been particularly stubborn. There's infighting within Europe, for that matter - note Polestar opposing Merz's attempts to weaken Europe's phase out of combustion vehicles. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsbirmingham/volvo-and-pole...

    • jack_tripper 3 hours ago

      Stubbornness to change is part of Germany's national identity, more often than not towards its own detriment.

      But also, Merz is not alone in this, but a lot of Eastern Europe can't afford EVs at current EU prices so the EU has to make some concessions. People in Romania or Bulgaria can't afford to buy a Polestar like people in Netherlands can.

      EU leaders needs to account for the massive disparities of purchasing power between places like Nordics and Romania/Bulgaria for example when they make sweeping legislation like that.

      Sure it would be nice if all of EU was like Norway with only EVs everywhere, but this way you'd basically be bankrupting and turning against you the people in the poorer countries of the union who are already disproportionately affected by the CoL crisis of the EU, who are effectively paying German energy and grocery prices but at Eastern EU salaries and pensions. This is not sustainable.

      Not to mention the disparity in public transportation infrastructure where a car is basically mandatory for commuting outside big cities in place like Romania.

      • nottorp 3 hours ago

        I doubt the average citizen in the Netherlands can afford EVs at current EU prices either.

        And at the rate car prices are increasing for no good reason, I doubt the average EU citizen will be able to afford a car in the future.

        The EU does need to find a middle ground between mandatory safety features that are unaffordable and free for all pedestrian killing machines.

        And protectionism ain't it. It will only increase the prices for domestic cars until the likes of VW have to close up shop because no one can afford what they're peddling any more.

      • impossiblefork 2 hours ago

        I think Eastern Europe can afford EVs now. 20,000 euros for the Twingo, 15,000 euros for Dacia Spring. This is cheaper than most petrol cars.

      • Semaphor 3 hours ago

        Not to take away from your argument, but German grocery prices are actually famously low. I know of eastern Europeans in border places who prefer shopping in Germany for that reason.

      • CalRobert 3 hours ago

        Maybe Europe should allow cheap BYD's to be imported for the poor eastern Europeans them.

        Fossil fuels need to be eliminated. Europe is the fastest warming continent.

  • impossiblefork 2 hours ago

    Yes, but in France Renault just made a new Twingo, to be electric, for 20,000 euro, and they're starting to make electric sports cars (A290, future electric A110), so I wouldn't call that 'legacy auto'.

raverbashing 3 hours ago

As much as German car companies suck it's not them that are road killers

  • CalRobert 3 hours ago

    Among other issues, Volkswagen killed roughly 1200 people by cheating on their emissions tests.

    https://lae.mit.edu/2024/06/28/study-quantifies-premature-de...

    • raverbashing 2 hours ago

      Besides the whataboutism, this is 1200 premature deaths (of mostly frail people). As much as I'm sensible to the topic of air pollution, putting that number closer to the number of, I dunno, premature deaths attributable to Coal power plants will give a more realistic view of the problem