slanterns 11 hours ago

Yeah preventing people from accessing Anthropic must have been a very effective way to promote American democracy.

r14c 15 hours ago

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  • reissbaker 14 hours ago

    It's obviously true that DeepSeek models are biased about topics sensitive to the Chinese government, like Tiananmen Square: they refuse to answer questions related to Tiananmen. That didn't magically fall out of a "predict the next token" base model (of which there is plenty of training data for it to complete the next token accurately); that came out of specific post-training to censor the topic.

    It's also true that Anthropic and OpenAI have post-training that censors politically charged topics relevant to the United States. I'm just surprised you'd deny DeepSeek does the same for China when it's quite obvious that they do.

    What data you include, or leave out, biases the model; and there's obviously also synthetic data injected into training to influence it on purpose. Everyone does it: DeepSeek is neither a saint nor a sinner.

    • shwaj 14 hours ago

      Well said, except for the last sentence:

      Just because everyone does it doesn’t mean one isn’t a sinner for doing it.

    • r14c 12 hours ago

      All I'm saying is that if you want to hear your own propaganda, use your own state approved AI. Deepseek is obviously going to respond according to their own regulatory environment.

  • justinclift 14 hours ago

    Pretty sure they're asking for the narrative that's widely known about everywhere _except_ by the er... non-leadership people of China.

  • UltraSane 14 hours ago

    I'm genuinely curious how one develops a world view like this.

    • r14c 12 hours ago

      I read a lot. I'm not saying nobody died at Tiananmen, but framing it as a massacre is specifically a US/NATO narrative.

      • UltraSane 10 hours ago

        I really hate the way people like you talk about "narratives". I care about facts. Are denying it was a massacre? How many people do you think were killed?

    • dmayle 14 hours ago

      I recently learned about the (ancient?) greek concept of amathia. It's a willful ignorance, often cultivated as a preference for identity and ego over learning. It's not about a lack of intelligence, but rather a willful pattern of subverting learning in favor of cult and ideology.