Comment by Aurornis

Comment by Aurornis 14 hours ago

> I had a vague idea that "Zig people" were generally "Software You Can Love" or "Handmade Software Movement" types, about small programs, exquisitely hand-written, etc, etc.

In my experience, the extreme anti-LLM people and extreme pro-vibecoding people are a vocal online minority.

If you get away from the internet yelling match, the typical use case for LLMs is in the middle. Experienced developers use them for some small tasks and also write their own code. They know when to switch between modes and how to make the most of LLMs without deferring completely to their output.

Most of all: They don't go around yelling about their LLM use (or anti-use) because they're not interesting in the online LLM wars. They just want to build things with the tools available.

hiduck 12 hours ago

more people should have such a healthy approach not only to llms but to life in general. Same reason I partake less and less in online discourse: its so tribal and filled with anger that its just not worth it to contribute anymore. Learning how to be in the middle did wonders to me as a programmer and I think as a person as well.

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throwaway-0001 8 hours ago

Personally I hate this “in the middle” as it’s so relative you can shape to fit your narrative.
For example: what’s in the middle for programming?
For me 0 is writing 0 and 1. For others 0 is making the nand ports.
And 100 is ai llm vibe.
So 50/middle would be what exactly? It all depends.
Same for anything really. Some people I know keep saying not 8 not 80 to mean the middle.
Like what’s in the middle for amount of coding per day? 12 h? 8h? 2h?
What’s middle for making money? 50k, 500k, 500m?
What’s the middle for taking cyanide ? 1g? 1kg?
What about water? What about food? What about anything?
As you can see, it’s all relative and whomever says it, is trying to push his narrative as “middle” aka correct, while who does more or less is “wrong”.

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- hiduck 4 hours ago
  
  I think both me, and person before me, were commenting more about the fact that taking reserved approach is just healthier and prevents "shitstorms" in discussions that are non existent in current internet landscape. Without offending you, but creating a straw man scenario about how much cyanide one can take and getting angry at it is exactly what I had in mind; I just code, I want to code, sometimes use llm or stack overflow or ask another person for advice about code. The approach in the middle is not taking to the extremes, and making use of any available tools to do our work/hobby and just live life and not be a target of hate (I received hateful messages and even one death threat over a comment where I said that I asked Claude to explain some concept in Zig). I could go and say that "in the middle" is more of a metaphor to just being reserved about stuff but I would be probably called out for "moving goal posts" and "backtracking on own comment". Sorry if something is written weirdly, English is not my first language, I'm open to talk more tho.
  
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  throwaway-0001 4 hours ago
  
  Maybe your “sometimes” is too much for me or others. How can you ensure it’s in the “middle”? Maybe I consider extreme. Maybe others consider not enough. Like driving every day: is it extreme driving, or moderate?
  You see how makes no sense this in the “middle” concept?
  
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matwood 3 hours ago

Yep. And there's a lot of people making use of LLMs in both coding and learning/searching doing exactly that.

One of my favorite things is describing a bug to an LLM and asking it to find possible causes. It's helped track something down many times, even if I ultimately coded the fix.

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