baq 15 hours ago

Axiom of China: nothing of importance happens in China without CCP involvement.

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  • yorwba 14 hours ago

    The CCP controlling the government doesn't mean they micromanage everything. Some Chinese AI companies release the weights of even their best models (DeepSeek, Moonshot AI), others release weights for small models, but not the largest ones (Alibaba, Baidu), some keep almost everything closed (Bytedance and iFlytek, I think).

    There is no CCP master plan for open models, any more than there is a Western master plan for ignoring Chinese models only available as an API.

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    • baq 14 hours ago

      Never suggested anything of the sort, involvement doesn’t mean direct control, it might be a passive ‘let us know if there’s progress’ issued privately, it might also be a passive ‘we want to be #1 in AI in 2030’ announced publicly, neither requires any micromanagement whatsoever: CCP’s expectation is companies figuring out how to align to party directives themselves… or face consequences.

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      • shroobani 10 hours ago

        Unlike the US, where there are no consequences for not aligning with the ruling party's directives.

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      • antonvs 3 hours ago

        In other words, your original comment was pointless speculation with no real basis.

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        • baq 2 hours ago

          you're welcome to educate yourself if you don't trust anons on the internet.

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    • jimbo808 9 hours ago

      They don't have to micromanage companies. A company's activities must align with the goals of the CCP, or it will not continue to exist. This produces companies that will micromanage themselves in accordance with the CCP's strategic vision.

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      • antonvs 2 hours ago

        That seems irrelevant in this case, given that China has companies all over the spectrum in terms of the degree of openness of their AI products.

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throwup238 15 hours ago

As far as I can tell AI is already playing a big part in the Chinese Fifteenth five year plan (2026-2030) which is their central top-down planning mechanism. That’s about as big a move as they can make.

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