Comment by twothreeone

Comment by twothreeone 15 hours ago

16 replies

The way I've experienced "Code Red" is mostly as a euphemism for "on-going company-wide lack of focus" and a band-aid for mid-level management having absolutely no clue how to meaningfully make progress, upper management panicking, and ultimately putting engineers and ICs on the spot to bear the brunt of that organizational mess.

Interestingly enough, apart from Google, I've never seen an organization take the actual proper steps (fire mid-management and PMs) to prevent the same thing from happening again. Will be interesting to see how OAI handles this.

chem83 13 hours ago

> fire mid-management and PMs to prevent the same thing from happening again

Firing PMs and mid-management would not prevent any of code reds you may have read about from Google or OAI lately. This is a very naive perspective of how decision making is done at the scale of those two companies. I'm sorry you had bad experiences working with people in those positions and I wish you have the opportunity to collab with great ones in the future.

avrionov 15 hours ago

"Code Red" if implemented correctly should provide a single priority for the company. Engineers will be moved to the most important project(s).

  • azemetre 13 hours ago

    There should already be a single priority for a company...

    Why is the bar so low for the billionaire magnate fuck ups? Might as well implement workplace democracy and be done with it, it can't be any worse for the company and at least the workers understand what needs to be done.

    • dymk 13 hours ago

      You think a company the size of OAI should have a single priority? That makes no sense, that’s putting all their eggs on one basket.

      • rovr138 12 hours ago

        All their services depend on their models. Their main priority should be that. If they're too thin, it gets affected.

        What can openai do that, even if their models lag behind, will let them keep their competitive advantage?

protocolture 12 hours ago

>I've never seen an organization take the actual proper steps (fire mid-management and PMs) to prevent the same thing from happening again.

One time, in my entire career have I seen this done, and it is as successful as you imagine it to be. Lots of weird problems coming out from having done it, but those are being treated as "Wow we are so glad we know about this problem" rather than "I hope those idiots come back to keep pulling the wool over my eyes".

jimbokun 9 hours ago

The one successful example I can think of is Bill Gates writing a memo to re-orient Microsoft to put the Internet at the center of everything they were doing.

miltonlost 15 hours ago

Your proper steps are also missing out on firing the higher level executives. But then new ones would be hired, a re-org will occur, and another Code Red will occur in a few months

NewEntryHN 13 hours ago

"Software engineer complains bearing the burden of everything and concludes everything would be fixed by firing everybody except themselves."

vkou 15 hours ago

This code red also has the convenient benefit of giving an excuse to stop work on more monetization features... Which, when implemented, would have the downside of tethering OpenAI's valuation to reality.

  • twothreeone 15 hours ago

    Good point too. Though it makes me wonder if "We declared Code Red" is really enough to justify eye-watering valuations.

  • rvba 15 hours ago

    Isnt CoPilot the de facto OpenAI monetization?

    And Microsoft gets the models for free (?)

    • vkou 15 hours ago

      They have some monetization, but as long as they don't expand into other sectors, they can plausibly claim that, say, their ad business will be bringing in 10 trillion/year in revenue, or whatever other imagined number.