Comment by VirusNewbie 19 hours ago
literally what does Apple or Google have over Boeing as a company to work at
Better engineering culture.
Better benefits.
More time off.
Bosses with engineering chops.
More flexible schedules.
Less likely to get laid off.
Perks like free food/massages/events.
Equity so as the company grows your pay increases automatically.
Large bonuses.
Are you actually serious you'd rather work at Boeing?
Not sure how it is in Nigeria, but in America people think much more highly of Apple products than recent Boeing planes. So by the logic of "Doubtful, we can see the products that come out of them these days.", Boeing does much worse on that metric than Apple.
Not sure what countries are supposed to have to do with anything but if that's where we're taking it, America is full of people who think all sorts of nonsense that is barely rooted in reality. I don't really see how the opinion of a public that revels in ignorance and is easily led by the nose (and I'm aware that this applies on both sides of the Atlantic) is supposed to be relevant to an engineering discussion.
I guess at least you didn't bother trying to argue that Google is a bastion of high quality products
So wait, your argument is that you actually think Boeing has a better engineering culture and smarter coworkers, than cream of the crop prestigious and high paying software companies.
You're just that certain that the vast majority of engineers don't care about money, and aren't competing to get in there? And instead work at Boeing. Where you think the engineering culture is better...even though their software has a reputation of being awful.
You must know a lot more than everyone here. You should really enligthen us. All those terrible products that all those people are using from Apple and Google.
On the contrary, I actually know that the median engineer at Boeing is working on much harder problems than the monumental amount of webslop that the median Google engineer is responsible for. And while the engineers at Boeing are not perfect on top of working under the constraints of the airline industry, I also have eyes to see the sheer enshittification of nearly everything that has come out of Apple and Google in the past decade. Google in particular - for goodness' sake just look at the state of YouTube web right now after their last "update", or the steady decline of Search, or the hatchet job they performed on apps like Fitbit after acquiring them - these are things we all know and bemoan even on here but sure, let's suddenly pretend that the company is a super bastion of quality. It's definitely not the name and the dollar signs flashing in front of the eyes.
As an aside, what I said is that if all you care about is money, then that's your prerogative. Plenty of us aren't slavering to work at The Empire Of Ads because they give free food. Apple at least has more dignity as a company, although outside of their silicon (which almost no software engineer is going to touch) they've been spinning the wheel for years papered over by vendor lock-in and their pricing strategy.
> All those terrible products that all those people are using from Apple and Google
If your argument is "well people use them", then I have some potentially really shocking news for you about Boeing products.
Now this is probably the part where you say a lot about MCAS without necessarily understanding what it is.
> Smarter coworkers.
Doubtful, we can see the products that come out of them these days.
> Better engineering culture.
Doubtful, we can see the products that come out of them these days.
> Bosses with engineering chops.
Doubtful, we can see the products that come out of them these days.
The rest of your list is just "money" written over and over and as I've already said, if that's all you care about, that's your prerogative but let's not pretend that makes somewhere a "good place to work".