Comment by TechRemarker

That's really fascinating. Every real world use case I've tried on Gemini (especially math-related) absolutely slaughtered the performance of ChatGPT in speed and quality, not even close. As an Android user, the Gemini app is also far superior, since the ChatGPT app still doesn't properly display math equations, among plenty of other bugs.

> But importantly the ChatGPT app experience at least for iPhone/Mac users is drastically superior vs Google which feels very Google still. So Gemini would have to be drastically better answer wise than ChatGPT to lure users from a better UI/UX experience to Gemini.

Yes, the ChatGPT experience is much better. No, Gemini doesn't need to make a better product to take market share.

I've never had the ChatGPT app. But my Android phone has the Gemini app. For free, I can do a lot with it. Granted, on my PC I do a lot more with all the models via paid API access - but on the phone the Gemini app is fine enough. I have nothing to gain by installing the ChatGPT app, even if it is objectively superior. Who wants to create another account?

And that'll be the case for most Android users. As a general hint: If someone uses ChatGPT but has no idea about gpt-4o vs gpt-5 vs gpt-5.1 etc, they'll do just fine with the Gemini app.

Now the Gemini app actually sucks in so many ways (it doesn't seem to save my chats). Google will fix all these issues, but can overtake ChatGPT even if they remain an inferior product.

It's Slack vs Teams all over again. Teams one by a large margin. And Teams still sucks!

Well I have been using Gemini and ChatGPT side by side for over 6 months now.

My experience is Gemini has significantly improved its UX and performs better that requires niche knowledge, think of some ancient gadgets that have been out of production for 4-5 decades. Gemini can produce reliable manuals, but ChatGPT hallucinates.

UX wise ChatGPT is still superior and for common queries it is still my go to. But for hard queries, I am team Gemini and it hasn’t failed me once

Benchmaxxing galore by lots of teams in this space.

I had a similar experience, signing up for the first time to give Gemini a test drive on my side project after a long time using ChatGPT. The latter has a native macOS client which "just works" integrating with Xcode buffers. I couldn't figure out how to integrate Gemini with Xcode quickly enough so I'm resorting to pasting back & forth from the browser. A few of the exchanges I've had "felt smarter" — but, on the whole, it feels like maybe it wasn't as well trained on Swift/SwiftUI as the OpenAI model. I haven't decided one way or another yet, but those are my initial impressions.

I've been a paying high volume user of ChatGPT for a while. I found the transition to Gemini to be seamless. I've been pleasantly surprised. I bounce between the two. I'm at about 60% Gemini, 40% ChatGPT.

Gemini comes with the 1.99 Google One plan. So I use that

> So Gemini would have to be drastically better answer wise than ChatGPT to lure users from a better UI/UX experience to Gemini.

or cheaper/free

they're deep into a redesign of the gemini app, idk when it will be released or if its going to be good, but at least they agree with you and are putting significant resources into fixing it.

Its really hard to measure these things. Personally I switched to Gemini a few months ago since it was half the cost of ChatGPT (Verizon has a $10/month Google AI package). I feel like I've subconsciously learned to prompt it slightly differently and now using OpenAI products feels disappointing. Gemini tends to give me the answer I expect, Claude follows close behind, I get "meh" results from OpenAI.

I am using Gemini 3 Pro, I rarely use Flash.

I couldn't even get ChatGPT to let me download code it claimed to program for me. It kept saying the files were ready but refused to let me access or download anything. It was the most basic use case and it totally bombed. I gave up on ChatGPT right then and there.

It's amazing how different people have wildly varying experiences with the same product.

Yeah, hate to say but for me a big thing is i still couldn't separate my Gemini chats into folders. I had ChatGPT export some profiles and history and moved it into Gemini, and 1) when Gemini gave me answers i was more pleased but 2) Gemini was a bit more rigorous on guard rails, which seems a bit overly cautious. I was asking some pretty basic non-controversial stuff.

I'm confused as well, it hallucinated like crazy

like it seems great, but then it's just bullshitting about what it can do or whatever

What are your primary usecases? Are you mostly using it as a chatbot?

I find gemini excels in multimodal areas over chatgpt and anthropic. For example, "identify and classify this image with meta data" or "ocr this document and output a similar structure in markdown"

Training and gaming for the benchmarks is different than actual use.

Curiously, I had the opposite experience, except for Deep Research mode where after the latest update the OpenAI offering has become genuinely amazing. This is doubly ironic because Gemini has direct API access to Google search!

This is exactly my experience. And it's funny -- this crowd is so skeptical of OpenAI... so they prefer _Google_ to not be evil? It's funny how heroes and villains are being re-cast.