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Comment by Someone 19 hours ago

> the compiler can see into it and make optimizations

Those writing assembler typically/often think/know they can do better than the compiler. That means that isn’t necessarily a good thing.

(Similarly, veltas comment above about “play with C until the compiler does the right thing” is brittle. You don’t even need to change compiler flags to make it suddenly not do the right thing anymore (on the other hand, when compiling for a different version of the CPU architecture, the compiler can fix things, too)

kragen 18 hours ago

It's rare that I see compiler-generated assembly without obvious drawbacks in it. You don't have to be an expert to spot them. But frequently the compiler also finds improvements I wouldn't have thought of. We're in the centaur-chess moment of compilers.

Generally playing with the C until the compiler does the right thing is slightly brittle in terms of performance but not in terms of functionality. Different compiler flags or a different architecture may give you worse performance, but the code will still work.

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EdwardDiego 8 hours ago

Centaur-chess?

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vardump 15 hours ago

Of course you can often beat the compiler, humans still vectorize code better. And that interpreter/emulator switch-statement issue I mentioned in the other comment. There are probably a lot of other small niches.

In general case you're right. Modern compilers are beasts.

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veltas 18 hours ago

> “play with C until the compiler does the right thing” is brittle

It's brittle depending on your methods. If you understand a little about optimizers and give the compiler the hints it needs to do the right things, then that should work with any modern compiler, and is more portable (and easier) than hand-optimizing in assembly straight away.

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