Comment by hearsathought

Comment by hearsathought 21 hours ago

> but then there’s Tibet as an example.

Tibet is an example of china protecting it from british/indian invasion at the request of tibetans. Funny how we don't hear about that part.

> If China were to get aggressive, we (India) will not be able to do jack about it

So doesn't that really means china is protecting bhutan?

> we couldn’t defend our own territorial claims and have been losing land to China,

It's not really your territorial claim. It's british territorial claims that india decided to take on for themselves.

Lets stop pretending india is the good guy here. India ain't. It's just selfish interests on all sides.

lenkite 20 hours ago

> Tibet is an example of china protecting it from british/indian invasion at the request of tibetans. Funny how we don't hear about that part.

Have you actually spoken to Tibetan refugees who fled Chinese extermination before you arrived at this crazy world-view ? There were 100,000 of them in India at one point of time. Still ~60k presently. Suggest coming to India and talking to them. You will know what true brutality means.

> Lets stop pretending india is the good guy here. India ain't. It's just selfish interests on all sides.

India hasn't annexed and exterminated several hundred-thousand native civilians. China has. Will never claim that India is good, but an objective assessor can definitely know who are the bad guys regarding the conquest of Tibet.

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hearsathought 20 hours ago

> Have you actually spoken to Tibetan refugees who fled Chinese extermination before you arrived at this crazy world-view ?
"Extermination"? Why lie so egregiously. It just makes you look like an agenda driven clown. To you people does "Crazy world view" mean anything based in reality and facts.
> There were 100,000 of them in India at one point of time.
I've watched videos of tibetans complaining about racism/violence in india. Does that count?
> Still >70k presently.
Wonder why so many left india? How many tibetans are in china? Over 7 million. Have you talked to them? Wonder why 99% of tibetans chose extermination in china to "freedom" in india.
The chinese must be terrible at extermination because the tibetan population grew during the past century.
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Stop stealth editing your comment.
> India hasn't annexed and exterminated several hundred-thousand native civilians.
You are right. It's in the millions.
> China has.
But not tibetans.
> Will never claim that India is good
But you just tried. "India hasn't annexed and exterminated several hundred-thousand native civilians.".
> but an objective assessor can definitely know who are the bad guys regarding the conquest of Tibet.
I agree. Those objective assessor are called TIBETANS. You know the 99% who chose "extermination" in china over "freedom" in india.

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- lenkite 20 hours ago
  
  > "Extermination"? Why lie so egregiously. It just makes you look like an agenda driven clown. To you people does "Crazy world view" mean anything based in reality and facts.
  Agenda-driven clown ? Dear lord, How can you be this ignorant ? That number is actually on the lower scale. The Central Tibetan administration (govt in exile) gave the upper estimate at above one million. You can check several sources - including wikipedia. Hell, there are books written on the subject by several authors. Most third-party estimates at a few hundred thousand, however, if you keep the scope to the invasion and the subsequent crackdowns.
  > How many tibetans are in china? Over 7 million. Have you talked to them? Wonder why 99% of tibetans chose extermination in china to "freedom" in india.
  Yeah, importing Han Chinese and calling it population of Tibet is 100% nonsense. You are aware, I hope, that the census includes all residents living in TAR - regardless of ethnicity ?
  > You are right. It's in the millions.
  What are you smoking ? When did Independent India invade and kill millions ?
  > I agree. Those objective assessor are called TIBETANS.
  You mean the Han Chinese are objective assessors ? Ask a group of people outside of China please.
  
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  lenkite 20 hours ago
  
  > Is it? Why would you try to undersell genocide? Are you some kind of monster? They did? And you don't believe it? I wonder why? You mean the people who have provably told lies for decades lied so much that even you refuse to believe it?
  No, because that number includes death by famine caused by cultural revolution repression as well. The other figures point to hundreds of thousands and not millions as they limit themselves to the invasion and the subsequent brutal crackdowns. This was the the "stealth edit" that you complained about.
  > The problem with agenda clowns like you is that you have to continuously lie. All it takes is just one instance of truth and your house of lies crumbles.
  What is this "instance of truth" ? Please educate me ? Can you give non PRC sources ? We all know that China lies by default regarding Tibet. It is an automatic party reflex at this point.
  I can quote not just the Tibet Government in exile, but also the Tibetan Centre for Human Rights and Democracy (TCHRD), the famous "Body Count" essay by Indiana University, the Independent conflict dataset, the Human Rights Watch, etc.
  You continuously call me an "agenda clown", yet I am not sure what agenda do I have in simply stating that the Chinese invasion of Tibet included massive casualties of native civilians and refugee flight to other nations. This is proven fact.
  > Keep making a laughing stock of yourself.
  You should talk to Tibetan refugees who had their families killed by Chinese soldiers.
  
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