Comment by gwbas1c

Comment by gwbas1c a day ago

7 replies

Of course they do, their bias is to keep all the cards in their favor. Our (the consumer's) bias is to shorten copyright.

Remember, ultimately it is the consumer who pays the creator; thus the consumer has a vested interest in negotiating how long copyright should last.

zelphirkalt 21 hours ago

However, ultimately, few people really are holding any cards. Most will have to compromise a great deal, to be able to generate income and benefit from existing publishing infrastructure.

hgomersall 21 hours ago

Which is absurd, because most creators would benefit hugely from an expanded public domain.

  • codyb 21 hours ago

    I think citation would be needed on this. Obviously any artist producing fully original music or art doesn't.

    And many content creators might benefit from an expanded public domain, or they might not... There's already tons of creators, they seem to be getting by? Well, actually, some are getting by and most are probably hobbyists or underwater much like most arts. I'm not sure expanded quantities of available characters would necessarily change much.

    • jandrese 18 hours ago

      > Obviously any artist producing fully original music or art doesn't.

      I would suggest that artists who say they're producing fully original works are just poorly educated in art history. Making something that has no prior influences would be extraordinary in the modern world.

      Also, the entities most capable of exploiting long copyright terms are corporations. Individuals simply don't have the resources to keep something relevant decade after decade save for a very small handful of exceptions like J.R.R. Tolkien.

      • codyb 16 hours ago

        I'm not even really advocating for or against the copyright position.

        I also think you're missing my point a bit. Just cause you study lots of works and create an original creation which borrows influences isn't the same thing as requiring use of a copyrighted piece of work.

        It's pretty silly to suggest I was implying artists have no influences cause I classified works without any copyrighted material as original.

        My point was more... just cause a bunch of copyrighted work becomes available does not necessarily imply creators and artists lives will be substantially different or better off.

  • purple_ferret 20 hours ago

    maybe 'creator' in the youtuber sense

    But most creative people I know aren't really that interested in trying to co-opt someone else's work

    • mrguyorama 19 hours ago

      Oh really? You don't think all the creators who do things like make video essays on 20 year old movies would benefit from not getting the rug pulled out from under them? You don't think they would prefer being legally in the right making money from analysis of media that was a generation ago?

      You don't think the Techmoans and Technology connections would prefer having better demonstration material than whatever recordings from 1912 exist, so that they could actually show you what they are trying to demonstrate without having their livelihood threatened by a capricious and byzantine system hell bent on pleasing a few megacorps?

      You don't think the creatives who made "The Katering show" for example would prefer that more people watch their artistic output than have it locked behind some business leaving it languishing in a random digital storefront rather than letting more people buy it because they just cannot be assed? Oh, you don't actually have to guess, because they uploaded a youtube video where they encourage people to pirate their work so they can see it.

      Creatives and artists tend to enjoy their work being consumed and riffed on (not plagiarized) and well adjusted artists recognize that there's "nothing new under the sun" and that remixing and riffing are essential parts of the creative and artistic process.

      Hell, the music industry even understands this, which is why letting songs get licensed out for remixes and future use is common.

      What "Creative" people do you know?