Comment by maciejzj

Comment by maciejzj a day ago

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On a side note, has anyone noticed the disparity of attitude and level of intensity of dialogue when it comes to AI in different HN posts?

Given that there are many threads where 80% act as if AI would cause second coming I suspected that main topic of discussion here would be "is it worth learning CS at all in 2026?". To my (pleasant) surprise the discussion here is much more "normal". Does anyone suspect that some HN posts have a lot of astroturfing from AI-adjacent organisations?

lII1lIlI11ll a day ago

> I suspected that main topic of discussion here would be "is it worth learning CS at all in 2026?"

Considering the current state of the job market I don't think it is good idea to go into CS in 2026 expecting a lucrative career. People who just love to program will find a job eventually, of course.

> Does anyone suspect that some HN posts have a lot of astroturfing from AI-adjacent organisations?

Why does it have to be AI? I don't work for OpenAI/Anthropic/etc. and am an "AI-skeptic" overall. I don't believe that the current job market conditions are caused by AI. I think the issue is that the field has become saturated with all your regular "fullstack web ninjas" while higher education institutions are still pumping hordes of CS(-adjacent) grads. Things will get worse (people that went into CS before the downturn are still graduating) before they get better (smaller number of people who are truly interested are choosing the field these days which will result less people of higher average quality graduating in a few years).

  • zwnow 15 hours ago

    Yea agree, the job market isn't difficult due to AI. Its difficult because big tech overhired massively for years, making it seem like there was demand for this many developers. Turns out if a field is somewhat saturated and the big tech corps lay off a lot of people the market gets difficult. Ill enjoy my current employment for as long as possible and hopefully the market will be better once I am looking for a job again.

    I use my time off to learn a ton about Erlang/Elixir in the hopes of maybe entering the BEAM domain some day. Way less competition compared to Javascript Python devs.

npinsker a day ago

I actually feel like the discussion here has trended relatively negative on AI for the most part.

Things change quickly though, and it makes sense for opinions to, too.

some_random 20 hours ago

My perception of AI discussions in HN is that it's typically negative to very cautiously optimistic, I have no clue what the possible astroturfing would be.

pardon_me a day ago

I'm sure there are bots on here as much as astroturfing.

Partly is seems to be how quickly an article has comments leaning to one side or another. Once a few of these comments get off the ground, it's hard for voting on HN to reflect the discussion these days.

It does appear that more users from Reddit etc. are not just using HN these days, but commenting. The quality of posts and comments has definitely decreased, in line with the quality of content on blog posts decreasing.

  • rfrey a day ago

    > The quality of posts and comments has definitely decreased, in line with the quality of content on blog posts decreasing.

    I fondly remember the first time I read this comment. I think it was August of 2008.

    • byearthithatius 18 hours ago

      Do you think its true both then and now, or rather that people are always seeing the past grass as more green?

      • rfrey 15 hours ago

        I do not think it was or is true.

  • pardon_me a day ago

    Another aspect is using HN as an early seed for wider advertising.

    Company blog/announcement -> developer blog -> HN front page -> Twitter -> small tech blogs -> YT niche videos -> Reddit -> PR newswire -> bigger (paid content) blogs -> YT general/news videos -> Facebook -> local news -> national news.

    Meanwhile, newer developers who think they're early on groundbreaking tech news are spreading this to their friends via Discord and Whatsapp etc.

    Yet all of this media is controlled, just to generate buzz and boost stock prices.

63stack a day ago

My impression is that there is definitely astroturfing around AI, yes

OkayPhysicist 20 hours ago

Talking to meat-space people in the industry, I find that there's a pretty well represented population across the board from "AI is no big deal, and we're going to crash the entire economy when the bubble bursts" to "AI is the most important technology since the dawn of computing, and we're going to reshape the world for the better". IMO, the most amusing people are the people who think that AGI is both possible, likely, and will be disastrous, but still are actively working towards building it. I think there's something humorously absurd about "machine-god cultists" being a real population that I can interact with on a regular basis.

mjburgess a day ago

HN has become per-thread view-enforced. It's pretty obvious now what the "correct" views are for any given thread, any dissenting comments are downvoted to death. When the next thread comes along, the opposite view might be the "allowed one". There's a particularly egregious amount of veiled partisanship behind a lot of posting too.

This could be a group think phenomenon, or it could be botting. Hard to say. I'd say in at least a few cases, it's someone with access and interest into bot downvotes landing on a thread and using that to suppress dissenting views.

  • elbear a day ago

    I think the title or the author of the posting tends to draw a certain crowd.

    For example, I recognised the name because the author also has a famous guide on network programming. Thanks to his reputation, I was curious what he has to say about learning CS.

  • pardon_me a day ago

    I agree. Thank you for pointing out a skeptical view.

    It's unfortunate that considering supposedly only "seasoned" participators of HN can downvote, it runs deeper than a surface issue. You will be downvoted without comments replying with the counterarguments.

    Scientific viewpoints often make way to hope and cope engineering here. This will only work as long as the people involved are insulated from the direct effects of their actions.

    It's a shame. HN felt like one of the last bastions of the old internet where techies came to discuss tech, science, and occasionally important worldwide news, in a technical and objective way.

    • fragmede a day ago

      to combat this, turn on showdead in your profile and [vouch] for dead comments that aren't trash when you find them

    • graemep a day ago

      Everyone can upvote though. Upvote unfairly downvoted comments even if you disagree with them.