kkylin a day ago

Like many others, I too would very much like to hear about this.

I taught our entry-level calculus course a few years ago and had two blind students in the class. The technology available for supporting them was abysmal then -- the toolchain for typesetting math for screen readers was unreliable (and anyway very slow), for braille was non-existent, and translating figures into braille involved sending material out to a vendor and waiting weeks. I would love to hear how we may better support our students in subjects like math, chemistry, physics, etc, that depend so much on visualization.

  • VogonPoetry 10 hours ago

    I did a maths undergrad degree and the way my blind, mostly deaf friend and I communicated was using a stylized version of TeX markup. I typed on a terminal and he read / wrote on his braille terminal. It worked really well.

    • kkylin 9 hours ago

      Thanks! Did you communicate in "raw" TeX, or was it compiled / encoded for braille? Can you point me at the software you used?

      • VogonPoetry 5 hours ago

        Yes, mostly raw TeX, just plain ascii - not specially coded for Braille. This was quite a long time ago, mid 1980's, so not long after TeX had started to spread in computer science and maths communities. My friend was using a "Versa Braille" terminal hooked via a serial port to a BBC Micro running a terminal program that I'd written. I cannot completely remember how we came to an understanding of the syntax to use. We did shorten some items because the Versa Braille only had 20 chars per "line".

        He is still active and online and has a contact page see https://www.foneware.net. I have been a poor correspondent with him - he will not know my HN username. I will try to reach out to him.

        • VogonPoetry an hour ago

          Now that I've been recalling more memories of this, I do remember there being encoding or "escaped" character issues - particularly with brackets and parentheses.

          There was another device between the BBC Micro and the "Versa Braille" unit. The interposing unit was a matrix switch that could multiplex between different serial devices - I now suspect it might also have been doing some character escaping / translation.

          For those not familiar with Braille, it uses a 2x3 array (6 bits) to encode everything. The "standard" (ahem, by country) Braille encodings are super-sub-optimal for pretty much any programming language or mathematics.

          After a bit of (me)memory refresh, in "standard" Braille you only get ( and ) - and they both encode to the same 2x3 pattern! So in Braille ()() and (()) would "read" as the same thing.

          I now understand why you were asking about the software used. I do not recall how we completely worked this out. We had to have added some sort of convention for scoping.

          I now also remember that the Braille terminal aggressively compressed whitespace. My friend liked to use (physical) touch to build a picture, but it was not easy to send spatial / line-by-line information to the Braille terminal.

          Being able to rely on spatial information has always stuck with me. It is for this reason I've always had a bias against Python, it is one of the few languages that depends on precise whitespace for statement syntax / scope.

K0balt 3 hours ago

I must be wrong, but can’t help but harbor a mild suspicion that your use of sight metaphors is not coincidental.

tippa123 a day ago

+1 and I would be curious to read and learn more about it.

  • swores a day ago

    A blind comedian / TV personality in the UK has just done a TV show on this subject - I haven't seen it, but here's a recent article about it: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2025/nov/23/chris-m...

    • lukecarr a day ago

      Chris McCausland is great. A fair bit of his material _does_ reference his visual impairment, but it's genuinely witty and sharp, and it never feels like he's leaning on it for laughs/relying on sympathy.

      He did a great skit with Lee Mack at the BAFTAs 2022[0], riffing on the autocue the speakers use for announcing awards.

      [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLhy0Zq95HU

    • latexr a day ago

      Hilariously, he beat the other teams in the “Say What You See” round (yes, really) of last year’s Big fat Quiz. No AI involved.

      https://youtu.be/i5NvNXz2TSE?t=4732

      • swores a day ago

        Haha that's great!

        I'm not a fan of his (nothing against him, just not my cup of tea when it comes to comedy and mostly not been interested in other stuff he's done), but the few times I have seen him as a guest on shows it's been clear that he's a generally clever person.

  • joedevon a day ago

    If you want to see more on this topic, check out (google) the podcast I co-host called Accessibility and Gen. AI.

    • tippa123 21 hours ago

      Honestly, that’s such a great example of how to share what you do on the interwebs. Right timing, helpful and on topic. Since I’ve listened to several episodes of the podcast, I can confirm it definitely delivers.

    • moss_dog a day ago

      Thanks for the recommendation, just downloaded a few episodes!;

  • chrisweekly a day ago

    Same! @devinprater, have you written about your experiences? You have an eager audience...

    • devinprater 5 hours ago

      I suppose I should write about them. A good few will be about issues with the mobile apps and websites for AI, like Claude not even letting me know a response is available to read, let alone sending it to the screen reader to be read. It's a mess, but if we blind people want it, we have to push through inaccessibility to get it.

badmonster a day ago

What other accessibility features do you wish existed in video AI models? Real-time vs post-processing?

  • devinprater 17 hours ago

    Mainly realtime processing. I play video games, and would love to play something like Legend of Zelda and just have the AI going, then ask it "read the menu options as I move between them," and it would speak each menu option as the cursor moves to it. Or when navigating a 3D environment, ask it to describe the surroundings, then ask it to tell me how to get to a place or object, then it guide me to it. That could be useful in real-world scenarios too.

    • kulahan 17 hours ago

      Weird question, but have you ever tried text adventures? It seems like it's inherently the ideal option, if you can get your screen reader going.

Rover222 20 hours ago

`Something one doesn't see` - no pun intended

fguerraz a day ago

> Something one doesn't see in news headlines.

I hope this wasn't a terrible pun

  • densh a day ago

    No pun intended but it's indeed an unfortunate choice of words on my part.

    • 47282847 a day ago

      My blind friends have gotten used to it and hear/receive it not as a literal “see“ any more. They would not feel offended by your usage.