Good question. We make tech money and rent a 3bed. No more rent control than SF defaults, we’ve only been here 2 years.
The shocking part is that we pay 5k in rent, but mortgage on the same place would be closer to 9k. Plus the commitment part (annual lease vs 30 year debt)
Very important to do your own math on these things and not just follow common wisdom.
> you are well within the top decile of income for the US
Yes and still can’t [responsibly] afford to buy in my locale :)
The situation is truly fucked and it’s about time Americans admit that housing cannot be both an expectation and an investment. Either everyone gets to own a house or it can be an investment. You can’t have both.
IMO housing is a consumption expense but people hate it when I bring that up at dinner.
Your point about being both an investment and an expectation is important. It's a kind of perverse system. I have no idea how to solve it and I haven't heard any answer besides build more housing. I'll take that as the best answer until I hear more ideas. But even that is untenable because everyone who already owns a home blocks new builds. I don't understand why either in most cases given new development typically raises value of proximal real estate.
> housing is a consumption expense
only the building portion.
The land is not consumed when you live there. It only appreciates due to the developments around that land, making it more desirable and thus, more valuable.
And if the land is more valuable, then it makes sense for it to cost more - either as rent, or as capital appreciation.
> everyone gets to own a house
which is not a truth, but a want/desire. So housing is an investment first and foremost, and will always remain so.
if you buy a house, you are entitled to rent it out and collect that rent.
if you then live in that house, you lose that rental income. That is what you are consuming. the rest of the investment remains intact.
as I like to phrase it, when you move from a rental into a house that you own, you still pay rent.
Yeah I think $5k/month at 15% of your income means you’re making more than $400k/year as household. (Even more if you’re counting it on net income)
The strong household income is the only reason why you’re able to limit how much you spend on housing, which unfortunately is not something most people are able to do, even if they’re renting. I get that renting is cheaper than buying at the moment with the interest rates, but it’s not cheap overall.
If $60k/year represents 15% of your income, you are well within the top decile of income for the US. The comment thread you are responding to is talking about households earning the average income.