Comment by delichon

Comment by delichon 2 days ago

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> Infrastructure owners with access to the cheapest energy will be the long run winners in AI.

For a sufficiently low cost to orbit that may well be found in space, giving Musk a rather large lead. By his posts he's currently obsessed with building AI satellite factories on the moon, the better to climb the Kardashev scale.

kridsdale1 2 days ago

The performance bottleneck for space based computers is heat dissipation.

Earth based computers benefit from the existence of an atmosphere to pull cold air in from and send hot air out to.

A space data center would need to entirely rely on city sized heat sink fins.

  • delichon 2 days ago

    For radiative cooling using aluminum, per 1000 watts at 300 kelvin: ~2.4m^2 area, ~4.8 liters volume, ~13kg weight. So a Starship (150k kg, re-usable) could carry about a megawatt of radiators per launch to LEO.

    And aluminum is abundant in the lunar crust.

    • ehnto a day ago

      We are jumping pretty far ahead for a planet that can barely put two humans up there, but it is a great deal of my scifi dreams in one technology tree so I'll happily watch them try.

      • eru a day ago

        The grandfather comment is perhaps mixing up two things:

        If launch costs are cheap enough, you can bring aluminum up from earth.

        But once your in-space economy is developed enough, you might want to tap the moon or asteroids for resources.

  • ehnto a day ago

    And the presence of humans. Like with a lot of robotics, the devil is probably in the details. Very difficult to debug your robot factory while it's in orbit.

    That was fun to write but also I am generally on board with humanity pushing robotics further into space.

    I don't think an orbital AI datacentre makes much sense as your chips will be obsolete so quickly that the capex getting it all up there will be better spent on buying the next chips to deploy on earth.

    • eru a day ago

      Well, _if_ they can get launch costs down to 100 dollar / kg or so, the economics might make sense.

      Radiative cooling is really annoying, but it's also an engineering problem with a straightforward solution, if mass-in-orbit becomes cheap enough.

      The main reason I see for having datacentres in orbit would be if power in orbit becomes a lot cheaper than power on earth. Cheap enough to make up for the more expensive cooling and cheap enough to make up for the launch costs.

      Otherwise, manufacturing in orbit might make sense for certain products. I heard there's some optical fibres with superior properties that you can only make in near zero g.

      I don't see a sane way to beam power from space to earth directly.