Comment by observationist

Comment by observationist 2 days ago

11 replies

Because they can.

For profit hospitals subsidized and enforced by the leviathan, what could go wrong?

How much does something cost? Whatever the seller can get people to pay for it. Hospital B charges 6 figures for the delivery of a child? Wow, that's expensive, they must be really good to be able to charge that much.

All the dark patterns, negative dynamics, perverse incentives of bad government, stupid healthcare policy, and humans being shitty combine to form for profit hospitals. Those determine how other institutions have to run in order to operate at all, and they're not being managed by well meaning, good faith citizens looking out for the patients and the public.

There's a reason mangione became a cult phenomenon, and $40k babies, multimillion dollar ambulance trips, and other bullshit are exactly why.

Good luck fixing that mess. I don't even know how to conceptualize where you'd even begin to try to fix American healthcare. It's so tangled up and beholden to all the other problematic elements in modern life that it looks nigh on impossible to repair, so my goal in life is to minimize contact with any element of the system as much as humanly possible.

Aaronontheweb 2 days ago

Completely removing the U.S. Government from the health care market (Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, uncompensated care, etc) would be a great start.

  • BeetleB 2 days ago

    Why not go to the other extreme, as most other developed countries have done (and have lower healthcare per capita)?

    Do you know any countries that have no government involvement in healthcare that has good health outcomes?

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  • teachrdan 2 days ago

    Could you explain how this would help? I'm struggling to understand where you're coming from here, besides perhaps a reflexive libertarian reaction to government.

    • Aaronontheweb 2 days ago

      Massive government subsidies for health care consumption not only eliminate, but disincentivize price discovery. If your biggest consumers of health care (seniors) have access to the best health insurance plan in the world (Medicare), that's going to drive costs up

      • peter422 2 days ago

        Your whole argument is that the health care system should be optimized for the most productive members of society (like you, right now).

        You are perfectly fine to have that belief, but the majority of people disagree with you, which is one of the primary reasons the system is designed as it is.

      • hollandheese 2 days ago

        You know what actually drives costs up? The fact that healthcare doesn't work as a market. I can't shop for medical care. I don't have the knowledge and it's usually extremely time sensitive. This is a ridiculous statement that's only parroted by the most market-pilled right-wing economists.

      • fzeroracer 2 days ago

        Have you ever looked into the way the market works for medical devices? And what happens if the implant or device you need to live is from a company that went bankrupt?

        If you've ever spent even five minutes reading up on that stuff you would understand that health and medical cannot be a free market. It can never be a free market.

    • silexia 2 days ago

      Healthcare was a far smaller percentage of US GDP prior to heavy government regulations and especially limits on the number of new doctors a year.