Comment by nagaiaida

Comment by nagaiaida 2 days ago

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on what hypothetical grounds would you be more meaningfully able to sue the american maker of a self-hosted statistical language model that you select your own runtime sampling parameters for after random subtle security vulnerabilities came out the other side when you asked it for very secure code?

put another way, how do you propose to tell this subtle nefarious chinese sabotage you baselessly imply to be commonplace from the very real limitations of this technology in the first place?

fragmede 2 days ago

This paper may be of interest to you: https://arxiv.org/html/2504.15867v1

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  • nagaiaida 2 days ago

    the mechanism of action for that attack appears to be reading from poisoned snippets on stackoverflow or a similar site, which to my mind is an excellent example of why it seems like it would be difficult to retroactively pin "insecure code came out of my model" on the evil communist base weights of the model in question

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kriops 2 days ago

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  • nagaiaida 2 days ago

    sorry, is your contention here "spurious accusations don't require evidence when aimed at designated state enemies"? because it feels uncharitably rude to infer that's what you meant to say here, but i struggle to parse this in a different way where you say something more reasonable.

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  • coliveira 2 days ago

    Competitor != adversary. It is US warmongering ideology that tries to equate these concepts.

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    • tomhow a day ago

      > It is US warmongering ideology that tries to equate these concepts

      Please don't engage in political battle here, including singling out a country for this kind of criticism. No matter how right you are or feel you are, it inevitably leads to geopolitical flamewar, which has happened here.

      https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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    • delaminator 2 days ago

      you clearly haven't been paying attention

      remember when the US bugged EU leader's phones, including Merkel from 2002 to 2013?

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    • kriops 2 days ago

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      • tomhow a day ago

        Several of your comments in this subthread have broken the guidelines. The guidelines ask us not to use HN for political/ideological battle and to "assume good faith". They ask us to "be kind", "eschew flamebait", and ask that "comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less as a topic gets more divisive."

        The topic itself, like any topic, is fine to discuss here, but care must be taken to discuss it in a de-escalatory way. The words you use and the way you use them matter.

        Most importantly, it's not OK to write "it is however entirely reasonable to assume that the comment I replied to was made entirely in bad faith". That's a swipe and a personal attack that, as the guidelines ask, should be edited out.

        https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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      • jrflowers 2 days ago

        Isn’t every country by definition a “local monopoly on force”? Sweden and Norway have their own militaries and police forces and neither would take kindly to an invasion from the other. By your definition this makes them adversaries or enemies.

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        • kriops 2 days ago

          Exactly. I am Norwegian myself, and I don’t even know how many wars we have had with Sweden and Denmark.

          If you are getting at the fact that it is sometimes beneficial for adversaries to collaborate (e.g., the prisoner dilemma) then I agree. And indeed, both Norway and Sweden would be completely lost if they declared war on the other tomorrow. But it doesn’t change the fundamental nature of the relationship.

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  • saubeidl 2 days ago

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    • kriops 2 days ago

      The EU isn’t a state and has no military or police. As such the EU’s existence is an anecdotal answer to your question in itself: Reliance on (in particular maritime) trade. And yes, China also benefits from trade, but as opposed to democracies (in which the general populace to a greater extent are keys to power) the state does not require trade to sustain itself in the same way.

      This makes EU countries more reliable partners for cooperation than China. The same goes for the US from an European perspective, and even with everything going on over there it is still not remotely close.

      All states are fundamentally adversaries because they have conflicting interests. To your point however, adversaries do indeed cooperate all the time.

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