Comment by alephnerd

Comment by alephnerd 2 days ago

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> I will be suprised if companies like apple comply though

They will.

All tech companies already comply with India's IT Act. And India now manufactures 44% of all iPhones sold in the US [0] while dangling the stick of a $38B anti-trust fine [6] but also the carrot of implementing China-style labor laws [10] that Apple lobbied for [11], so Apple doesn't have much of a choice because both China and Vietnam (the primary competitors for this segment of manufacturing) have similar regulations while not shielding them from Chinese competitors. Samsung is in the same boat at 25% of their manufacturing globally being done in India in CY24 [1] while is also trying to further entrench itself [2][8][9] due to existential competition from Chinese vendors [3][7].

Heck, Apple complied with similar regulations in Russia [7] before the Ukraine War despite being a smaller market than India with no Apple manufacturing, engineering, or capex presence.

All large companies who face existential threats from Chinese competitors have no choice but to entrench in India as it's the only large market with barriers against direct Chinese competition - ASEAN has an expansive FTA with China which has lead both South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan to lose their staying power in countries like Vietnam, Indonesia, and Thailand where Chinese competitors are being given the red carpet, and Brazil is in the process of one as well.

And the Indian government is taking full advantage of this to get large companies to bend to Indian laws, as can be seen with the damocles sword of tax enforcement on Volkswagen [4] while negotiating an FTA with the EU and a potential $38B anti-trust fine against Apple [5] while negotiating a BTA with the US. It's the same playbook China used when it was in India's current position in the late 2000s and early 2010s.

Finally, India was in a de facto war earlier this year against Pakistan (Chinese manufactured missiles landed near my ancestral home along with plenty of Turkish and Chinese drones) along with a suicide bombing in India's Tiannamen Square (the Red Fort) a couple weeks ago [12], so anything national security has a bit more credence and leeway.

[0] - https://scw-mag.com/news/apples-supply-shift-to-india-speeds...

[1] - https://www.techinasia.com/news/samsung-to-broaden-manufactu...

[2] - https://www.chosun.com/english/industry-en/2025/11/25/SLEYWT...

[3] - https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20251118VL205/2030-samsung-s...

[4] - https://www.ft.com/content/6ec91d4a-2f37-4a01-9132-6c7ae5b06...

[5] - https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/boards-policy-regulat...

[6] - https://www.macrumors.com/2021/03/16/apple-to-offer-governme...

[7] - https://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=...

[8] - https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20250903PD208/samsung-india-...

[9] - https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20241212PR200/samsung-india-...

[10] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-21/india-imp...

[11] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-21/apple-see...

[12] - https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/india-intensi...

hparadiz 2 days ago

This is the Achilles heel of having a closed platform. Eventually the government dictates what's supposed to be in it.

  • alephnerd 2 days ago

    Even an open platform would do nothing. If you are a suspect, your phone would be checked in person (India doesn't have the concept of the 4th Amendment, and police demanding physical access to your phone during a search is routine) and if you were using something like GrapheneOS, it would be used as evidence against you. Indian law enforcement has already used access to Signal and Telegram as circumstantial evidence in various cases, and it's a simple hop to create a similar circumstantial evidence trail with someone using GrapheneOS.

    And anyhow, major Android vendors like Samsung have aligned with the policy as well.

    • ivell 2 days ago

      > and it's a simple hop to create a similar circumstantial evidence trail with someone using GrapheneOS.

      I think this is a bit exaggerated for effect. No one in India considers having a Linux laptop as being circumstantial evidence in case of a crime. Whereas having Tor installed would be.

    • BenjiWiebe 2 days ago

      If it was open, truly open, wouldn't using GrapheneOS be easier and far more common than it is now?

      • nunobrito 2 days ago

        That distro is seriously not good for your privacy.

        DYR (deeper) and support less dodgy options like LineageOS.

iancarroll 2 days ago

Even in mainland China, where iOS does have a large amount of changes to comply with local regulations, Apple does not pre-install any apps from anyone.

  • alephnerd 2 days ago

    China doesn't require pre-installed apps but the Chinese government require all data processing and storage to be conducted within China with complete source code access.

    India chose to back off on data sovereignty [0] because it would have had a side effect of making Indian IT Offshoring less competitive plus to help make negotiating a US-India BTA easier [1].

    [0] - https://verfassungsblog.de/cross-border-data-flows-and-india...

    [1] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-25/us-seeks-...

    • browningstreet 2 days ago

      > making Indian IT Offshoring less competitive

      So does a security backdoor in every mobile device used by said Indian offshoring staff.

    • iancarroll 2 days ago

      I don't think there is any reason to assume they would allow forced code execution just because they allow data residency for mainland accounts. And unfortunately, China is likely a much larger and more profitable consumer market than India - presumably they can still export phones produced inside India without this.

    • tacker2000 2 days ago

      Most people in China install Wechat by choice, anyway

      • throwaway2037 a day ago

        This is an interesting point. Is there anyone in mainland china that does do not install WeChat plus AliPay installed? It is hard to live without it! Literally, you can buy a kilo of veg from a wet market stall and pay with AliPay.

  • bilbo0s 2 days ago

    >Even in mainland China [..] Apple does not pre-install any apps from anyone.

    That's because China has no regulation obliging them to do so.

    China takes the other, more comprehensive, route to privacy invasion. Sucking up every bit of data at the router.

    • iancarroll 2 days ago

      The GFW is certainly looking for traffic to block, but it is not really going to invade much privacy, as it cannot decrypt anything using HTTPS/TLS.

      • largbae 2 days ago

        GFW does indeed have man in the middle capabilities per the recent leaks of Geedge tech used in it. Your laptop might throw a warning for the fake signed cert, but devices in China that trust Chinese root CAs would not.

raw_anon_1111 a day ago

From what I just heard on the Upgrade podcast, Apple only put a splash screen up when you first purchased your phone “encouraging” users in Russia to download the app. It didn’t force you to.

  • leshenka a day ago

    That's true, it opens a splash screen. But if I remember correctly even if you dismiss it it opens a corresponding AppStore section. Which was kinda annoying but that's it.

    In more recent developments of this story, looks like Russian authorities saw a success of EU's push for alternative stores and now want Apple to allow that in Russia too [1,2]. Sadly, the motivation is twofold: a. let authorities publish their spyware (Max messenger) and b. let sanctioned companies publish their apps (sberbank). I haven't heard a single word about caring for user freedom.

    P.S. just for laughs: Since it's currently (almost)impossible to install alternative appstores, stores and online marketplaces selling iphones now label them as "defective" [3]: below title "Имеется недостаток товара: невозможно установить и использовать RuStore" = "Defect: impossible to install and use RuStore"

    [1] (ru) https://www.ixbt.com/news/2025/07/07/apple-rustore-iphone-ip...

    [2] (en) https://meduza.io/en/feature/2025/06/27/an-app-store-ultimat...

    [3] https://re-store.ru/catalog/10117MAX512ORGN/

    • raw_anon_1111 a day ago

      The same podcast episode - the latest one - said that Apple isn’t selling in Russia right now so the point is moot.

wildylion 2 days ago

And these mofos complied to the request to block VPN apps on iPhones in Russia. Think about companies that cooperated with the Nazis.