Comment by lwansbrough

Comment by lwansbrough 2 days ago

7 replies

Anti-cheat is a necessity for an enjoyable game experience. If you are a casual who doesn’t care about game integrity, you probably aren’t the target audience.

I don’t want any cheaters in my games. I don’t care if a rootkit is required. Riot has a kernel level anti-cheat and it’s _really_ good. It’s so good in fact that it deters most cheaters from even trying. This is the dream for anyone who wants fair games.

cortesoft 2 days ago

I agree with you, but I think the best solution is just to let people run the game without anti-cheat, but they can only play with other people who also opt-out of anti cheat (or choose to allow themselves to be matched with people who opt-out).

Then people can choose to either accept they have to install a rootkit anti-cheat, or want to risk facing cheaters in return for not having to install the anti-cheat.

nottorp 2 days ago

> If you are a casual who doesn’t care about game integrity, you probably aren’t the target audience.

Friendly reminder. 90% of games are not competitive multiplayer and don't need any anti cheat to be enjoyable.

My main entertainment is video games and books (no TV) in equal proportions so I'm far from "casual". I play zero competitive multiplayer due to the "communities" being invariably toxic.

Last time I played something like that it was Starcraft 2 when it was new. Enjoyed being called a stupid noob when I won.

  • simoncion 2 days ago

    Yeah. I've found a nearly 1:1 correlation between "Does it try hard to be 'competitive' or an 'e-sport'?" and "Is a huge section of the playerbase just godawful toxic assholes?".

    As the years ground on, I've learned to avoid games billing themselves as an "e-sport" or indicating that they are extremely focused on the "competitive" scene, unless there's something very compelling to offset the asshole players that will inevitably be pulled in.

    • nottorp a day ago

      So all in all Linux gamers are nicer because the “games” requiring anti cheat are not available?

      They also send better bug reports if you launch Linux in early access, there was this indie dev saying that a couple years ago.

      • westpfelia a day ago

        Yea! There was a pretty popular /r/gamedev post talking about how like 95% of the linux bugs existed in windows also. Just that linux users are trained to report and provide quality logs/evidence.

        • nottorp a day ago

          > 95% of the linux bugs existed in windows also

          Of course they do! Not all bugs are hardware related and most game logic bugs should be written cross platform from the start!

kgwxd 2 days ago

I wouldn't be able to enjoy life with the knowledge there's a rootkit installed on my machine, developed by the same people that make video games, and hate all levels of accountability, riddled with vulnerabilities that could grant an attacker the same ridiculous level of permissions.