Comment by smcl

Comment by smcl 2 days ago

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See this is one of the reasons I struggle to get on board the AI hype train. Any time I've seen some breathless claim about it's capabilities that feels a bit too good to be true, someone with knowledge in the domain takes a closer look and it turns out to have been exaggerated and meant to draw eyeballs and investors to some fledgling AI company.

I just feel like if we were genuinely on the cusp of an AI revolution like it is claimed, we wouldn't need to keep seeing this sort of thing. Like I feel like a lot of the industry is full of flim-flam men trying to scam people, and if the tech was as capable as we keep getting told it is there'd be no need for dishonesty or sleight of hand.

encyclopedism 2 days ago

I have commented elsewhere but this bears repeating

If you had enough paper and ink and the patience to go through it, you could take all the training data and manually step through and train the same model. Then once you have trained the model you could use even more pen and paper to step through the correct prompts to arrive at the answer. All of this would be a completely mechanical process. This really does bear thinking about. It's amazing the results that LLM's are able to acheive. But let's not kid ourselves and start throwing about terms like AGI or emergence just yet. It makes a mechanical process seem magical (as do computers in general).

I should add it also makes sense as to why it would, just look at the volume of human knowledge (the training data). It's the training data with the mass quite literally of mankind's knowledge, genius, logic, inferences, language and intellect that does the heavy lifting.

  • jeeeb 7 hours ago

    Couldn’t you say the exact same about the human mind though?

    • encyclopedism 3 hours ago

      No you couldn't because the human mind definitely DOES not work like an LLM. Though how it does work is an open academic problem. As an example please see the Hard problem of consciousness. There are things when it comes to the brain/mind which we even have a difficult time in defining let alone understanding.

      To give a quick example vis-a-vis LLM's: I can reason and understand well enough without having to be 'trained' on near the entire corpus of human literary. LLM's of course do not reason or understand and their output is determined by human input. That alone indicates our minds work differently to LLM's.

      I wonder how ChatGPT would fair if it were trained on birdsong and then asked for a rhyming couplet?

MangoToupe 2 days ago

The thing is, we genuinely are going through an AI revolution. I don't even think that's that breathless of a claim. The contention is over whether it's about to revolutionize our economy, which is a far harder claim to substantiate and should be largely self-substantiating if it is going to happen.

andrepd 2 days ago

If OpenAI saw an imminent path to AGI in 6 months (or in 5 years for that matter) they would not be pivoting to become a banal big tech ad company.

Short AI and tech, and just hope you get the timing right.

jimkleiber 2 days ago

The crypto train kinda ran out of steam, so all aboard the AI train.

That being said, I think AI has a lot more immediately useful cases than cryptocurrency. But it does feel a bit overhyped by people who stand to gain a tremendous amount of money.

I might get slammed/downvoted on HN for this, but really wondering how much of VC is filled with get-rich-quick cheerleading vs supporting products that will create strong and lasting growth.

  • _heimdall 2 days ago

    I don't think you really need to wonder about how much is cheer leading. Effectively all of VC public statements will be cheer leading for companies they already invested in.

    The more interesting one is the closed door conversations. Earlier this year, for example, it seemed there was a pattern of VCs heavily invested in AI asking the other software companies they invested in to figure out how to make AI useful for them and report back. I.e. "we invested heavily in hype, tell us how to make it real."

  • soulofmischief 2 days ago

    From my perspective, having worked in both industries and simply following my passions and opportunities, all I see is that the same two bandwagons who latched onto crypto either to grift or just egotistically talk shit have moved over to the latest technological breakthrough, meanwhile those of us silently working on interesting things are consantly rolling our eyes over comments from both sides of the peanut gallery.