LoganDark 2 days ago

Technically, there are supposed to be hair spaces around the dashes, not regular spaces. They're small enough to be sometimes confused for kerning.

  • cachius 2 days ago

    Em dashes used as parenthetical dividers, and en dashes when used as word joiners, are usually set continuous with the text. However, such a dash can optionally be surrounded with a hair space, U+200A, or thin space, U+2009 or HTML named entities   and   These spaces are much thinner than a normal space (except in a monospaced (non-proportional) font), with the hair space in particular being the thinnest of horizontal whitespace characters.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitespace_character#Hair_spac...

    Typographers usually add space to the left side of the following marks:

        : ; ” ’ ! ? / ) ] } * ¿ › » @ ® ™ ℓ ° ¡ ' " † + = ÷ - – —
    
    And they usually add space to the right of these:

        “ ‘ / ( [ { > ≥ < ≤ £ $ ¢ € ‹ « √ μ # @ + = ÷ - – —
    
    https://www.smashingmagazine.com/2020/05/micro-typography-sp...

    1. (letterpress typography) A piece of metal type used to create the narrowest space. 2. (typography, US) The narrowest space appearing between letters and punctuation.

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/hair_space

    Now I'd like to see how the metal type looks like, but ehm... it's difficult googling it. Also a whole collection of space types and what they're called in other languages.

kuschku 2 days ago

That depends on the language — whereas German puts spaces around —, English afaik usually doesn’t.

Similarly, French puts spaces before and after ? ! while English and German only put spaces afterwards.

[EDIT: I originally wrote that French treats . , ! ? specially. In reality, french only treats ? and ! specially.]

  • greenicon 2 days ago

    In German you use en-dashes with spaces, whereas in English it’s em-dashes without spaces. Some people dislike em-dashes in English though and use en-dashes with spaces as well.

    • dragonwriter 2 days ago

      In English, typically em-dashes are set without spaces or with thin spaces when used to separate appositives/parentheticals (though that style isn't universal even in professional print, there are places that aet them open, and en-dashes set open can also be used in this role); when representating an interruption, they generally have no space before but frequently have space following. And other uses have other patterns.

    • bloak 2 days ago

      In British English en-dashes with spaces is more common than em-dashes without spaces, I think, but I don't have any data for that, just a general impression.

    • JumpCrisscross 2 days ago

      > whereas in English it’s em-dashes without spaces

      Didn't know! Woot, I win!

      Why does AI have a preference for doing it differently?

  • bratwurst3000 2 days ago

    french does "," and "." like the british and germans the rest is space befor space after