Comment by tiahura 3 days ago
Why? I’ve been using Unix workstations since the motif days through gnome whatever, but and every single one has seemed clunky as heck compared to the contemporaneous windows. Win 11 file explorer is 20 years ahead of nautilus. Not to mention all of the other windows perks like HiDPI & multi-monitor scaling polish, rdp, vastly superior accessibility, … And you can run wsl2 if you need to.
Epic ragebait.
> Win11 file picker is years ahead of some random file picker option available on linux
First it would be nice to know why you would think this and maybe provide an example, second there are other file pickers. It should also be noted that you don't need one at all, but if you want one, there are so many options, try nemo
> HiDPI
Wayland
> Multi monitor scaling polish
What did he mean by that? Wayland supports different scaling factors between displays.
> rdp
VNC, ssh + pf
> vastly superior accessibility
Hahahahaha
Some examples of what you mean please, otherwise this is just a lazy shill answer
Anyone who has used rdp for more than a few hours knows how much better the experience is compared to vnc. Most things just work. In case someone needs touch screen support, there is no comparison.
File picker has been a strength of Windows for quite a few versions. And the consensus seems to be that it is better than Mac's (based on my YouTube watch history). I have used various Linux desktops, and none of the file pickers are nearly as good as the Windows native one, in yet of being able to navigate/filter/order things and occasionally getting more information about the selection.
I concede that RDP is great (though Sunshine/Moonlight are worth the trouble), but that's been available on Linux for ages. It's hilarious that you're comparing features to GNOME-ecosystem apps. They are allergic to features. Dolphin from KDE would be a much better comparison for Windows Explorer.
not an author, but in same league (have to keep dual boot because of photo editing)
neither nautilus nor nemo provides you convenient way to navigate, to check free disks space, to check photos in an album view, to see all the file properties and customize table views.
if you don't have this usage scenarios, it doesn't mean its a ragebait.
and btw, your attitude is one of the reasons people don't want to move to linux. One more toxic community? Naah, I'm good.
>to navigate
cd where/you/want/to/navigate
ranger (if you want interactive)
>check free disk space
df -h
> check photos in an album view
nsxiv -t *.{jpeg|png}
> see all the file properties
ls -l
But I guess you are right. If one wants to use a computer like you use it on windows, then linux is a bad choice. The best choice in that case is windows.
Your file manager is not your operating system, use something else to view images.
I have all those "usage scenarios", which are in fact absolute basics and thus it's worth remembering 3 commands. The problem arises when one uses a Desktop environment with a dock and all other bloated nonsense. Maybe computing is solved once people reverse the brain damage inflicted by Windows and MacOS.
I'm not sorry for my attitude, because OP is the reason computing sucks and becomes more bloated and telemetry ridden every year. It's pure laziness to learn something new. Linux should be there for everyone, but shouldn't be called "immature" just because someone needs a perfect clone of the windows file picker, or wants his proprietary windows programs to run. Thats all good and fair, but not linux' problem.
> Hahahahaha
Speaking as a Linux desktop dev, that one's right. We have a lot of homework left to do, and accessibility is an area both Windows and MacOS are more fully-featured and mature in.
Part of treating users really well is also being honest about our shortcomings (and fixing them).
I don't think there is anything more accessible than lines of text in a grid. Maybe you don't need to make every button of every GUI program ever accessible.
I would like for Linux to be able to replace Windows. I run Linux on some of my computers with various levels of success. But even with Windows 11 being as annoying as it is and Ubuntu/Mint/Cachy/Fedora/etc having some really good points they are not as easy to use as Windows. Sure, web browsing is almost the same and simple home office tasks are close enough. But all of the complaints that GP has mentioned are valid. Windows file chooser is essentially small Windows Explorer and you can do almost everything that you can in the explorer while you are in file chooser mode. None of the Linux desktops have anything close. HiDPI and multi monitor scaling on Linux has gotten better and it might approach what Windows had for the last 10 years but it is not 100% there yet. Wayland is just a protocol with many incomplete and incompatible extensions that may or may not be implemented by your DE. VNC is not even remotely close to RDP in features or performance. It just isn't. I have used RDP over dial-up that was more responsive that VNC over LAN. Not to mention sound, printer, disks, USB, etc all being available over one RDP connection. Accessibility on Linux is a joke. On screen keyboard may work 80% of the time, screen reader might work 20% of the time. Sound might come out of random output or it might not. You may have to play with random settings, good luck with that if you are vision impaired. One big reason Linux isn't there yet is people who just dismiss all of the above and go with "it works for me so it must be good for everyone."
The GTK file picker, which is frustratingly the default even on most KDE installs, is the one that sucks. The KDE-native one would much more closely match the experience you're looking for.
VNC is highly dependent on implementation. Sunshine/Moonlight runs circles around RDP in terms of performance and includes audio. For situations where you need the extra functionality is RDP... You can just use RDP. It works just fine on Linux, especially if you're on recent KDE.
On-screen keyboards are admittedly a pain point, but I've usually seen people say nicer things about the screen readers than Windows. Probably lots of different experiences depending on implementation.
> Windows file chooser is essentially small Windows Explorer and you can do almost everything that you can in the explorer while you are in file chooser mode. None of the Linux desktops have anything close.
I remember KDE copying that a few years after Microsoft introduced Active Desktop. That was, what, 25 years ago now?
funny, windows 11's explorer has been the most infuriating experience for me over the years in all my personal and workplace machines (hangs, wont preview whatever files it decides doesnt want to, slow context menu startup, and many more) and frankly one of the reasons I've been daily driving kde+dolphin. I'd say I miss the out of the box cloud integration (you can install kio plugins but theyre not in a good state now. Dropbox have their own dolphin plugin as well), but I really couldn't care less when weighing in everything else. multimonitor support in kde wayland is just as good. Actually, its better, since you can control monitor brightness without a external program like Monitorian. wsl2 has some quirks if you're using a company VPN but overall pretty solid. Accessibility really is a pain point for linux in general
Linux doesn't spy on you, though, or install rootkits against your will.