Comment by gf000

Comment by gf000 3 days ago

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Desktop Linux is more of a love project, it has basically no real support. Compared to the kernel it's more like YouTube $5 comments.

And given that Wayland has less moving pieces (it properly sits on top of kernel abstractions), your take is even less likely to be true.

dabockster 3 days ago

> Desktop Linux is more of a love project, it has basically no real support.

Ubuntu and RHEL exist, but you're right that they're outliers. This is potentially the next killer app if someone wants to take this on.

sprash 3 days ago

Desktop Linux needs standardized and stable infrastructure. X11 delivers on that perfectly.

Wayland despite receiving huge amounts funding has actually far more moving pieces. Even for the simplest tasks you have to deal with a dbus infested portal maze, many parallel infrastructure effects and high fragmentation. The API is atrociously stupid and cumbersome.

Besides that the modesetting driver of xorg also sits "properly on top of kernel abstractions". How is this in any ways a relevant criterion. What matters is that Wayland clearly makes the wrong abstractions for Desktop applications and the vast amount of parallel infrastructure required to do even the simplest tasks shows that.

  • gf000 3 days ago

    > Wayland despite receiving huge amounts funding

    Citation needed

    > Even for the simplest tasks you have to deal with a dbus infested portal maze

    The simplest task is displaying a buffer, or changing a buffer, or handling events, and absolutely none of them have anything to do with dbus whatsoever. Also, have you seen an X11 desktop environment like KDE or Gnome? I recommend looking at all the dbus messages that are in flight there at any time.

  • colordrops 3 days ago

    > perfectly

    For a very strange definition of "perfect".

    Dbus does suck, I'll give you that.

    • bitwize 2 days ago

      Tell that to Havoc Pennington. Dbus was the solution he came up with based on requirements and constraints set by the DEs. A lot of people have claimed we need something better, but nobody has actually created something better. Till someone does, Dbus is the standard for client communication with Wayland compositors outside the core protocol. Sure beats piping stuff over X ClientMessage events.