Comment by lutusp

Comment by lutusp 3 days ago

> Are Linux /dev device paths (originating from Unix) really much better?

Not better at all, which is why Linux uses partition UUIDs to identify specific storage partitions, regardless of hardware identifiers. This isn't automatic, the user must make it happen, which explains why Linux users need to know more than Windows users (and why Linux adoption is stalled).

> Edit: Also /dev/sdX paths in Linux are not stable. They can and do vary across boot, since Linux 5.6.

Yes, true, another reason to use partition UUIDs.

> Plan 9 takes the everything is a file concept to its logical conclusion and is much better designed.

It's a shame that Plan 9 didn't get traction -- too far ahead of its time I guess.

hakfoo 3 days ago

I always saw it as two different mindsets for data storage.

One vision is "medium-centric". You might want paths to always be consistently relative to a specific floppy disc regardless of what drive it's in, or a specific Seagate Barracuda no matter which SATA socket it was wired to.

Conversely it might make more sense to think about things in a "slot-centric" manner. The left hand floppy is drive A no matter what's in it. The third SATA socket is /dev/sdc regardless of how many drives you connected and in what order.

Either works as long as it's consistent. Every so often my secondary SSD swaps between /dev/nvme0 and /dev/nvme1 and it's annoying.

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cesarb 3 days ago

> One vision is "medium-centric". You might want paths to always be consistently relative to a specific floppy disc regardless of what drive it's in, or a specific Seagate Barracuda no matter which SATA socket it was wired to.
> Conversely it might make more sense to think about things in a "slot-centric" manner. The left hand floppy is drive A no matter what's in it. The third SATA socket is /dev/sdc regardless of how many drives you connected and in what order.
A third way, which I believe is what most users actually want, is a "controller-centric" view, with the caveat that most "removable media" we have nowadays has its own built-in controller. The left hand floppy is drive A no matter what's in it, the top CD-ROM drive is drive D no matter what's in it, but the removable Seagate Expansion USB drive containing all your porn is drive X no matter which USB port you plugged it in, because the controller resides together with the media in the same portable plastic enclosure. That's also the case for SCSI, SATA, or even old-school IDE HDDs; you'd have to go back to pre-IDE drives to find one where the controller is separate from the media. With tape, CD/DVD/BD, and floppy, the controller is always separate from the media.

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stormking 3 days ago

AmigaOS supported both. Each drive and in addition each medium had it's own name. If GAMEDISK was in floppy 0, you could reference it either as DF0: or as GAMEDISK:
You could even reference media that was not loaded at the time (e.g. GAMEDISK2:) and the OS would ask you to insert it into any drive. And there were "virtual" devices (assigns) that could point to a specific directory on a specific device, like LIBRARIES:

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ElectricalUnion 3 days ago

And the sad thing is that stuff directly in `/dev` isn't neither, it's just "first come first served" order, that is more or less guaranteed to be non-deterministic BS. One is supposed to use udev /dev/disk/by-path/ subtree if one really wants "slot-centric" connections.

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dist-epoch 3 days ago

Windows drive letters are also linked to some partition UUIDs, which is why you can move a partition to a different drive, or move drive to a different address (change SATA/m.2 port)

You can use mountvol command to see the mount-letter/GUID mapping.

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