Comment by Retric

Comment by Retric 3 days ago

16 replies

Over half of New York City households are car-free. That jumps to 3/4 in Manhattan.

Millions of American households don’t have a car, but you rarely hear about it as a viable option.

JoeBOFH 3 days ago

Because as soon as you leave a major metropolitan area, not having a car is almost a nonstarter.

  • SoftTalker 3 days ago

    It's the same in Europe, but people pushing an agenda don't talk about that either.

    • oblio 3 days ago

      The US takes this to an entirely different level.

      In places like Vegas, even on days with great weather, trying to WALK 2-3km in residential areas is a nightmare.

    • tavavex 2 days ago

      People who are "pushing an agenda" aren't arguing that there should be no cars ever, anywhere. Cars are the smallest-scale form of long-distance transport, they are unavoidable in low-density areas or for services that requires complete flexibility. All the agenda-pushers I've seen in real life are just saying that there's better options within cities, at least for a lot of people. Most of the time, most people only move within their cities, myself included. If transit within my city was in any way adequate, I would choose it over the car. I could cover those rare out-of-city edge cases with rentals or train travel.

      Besides, it's not even the same in Europe. In a few countries, maybe, but in the majority the inter-city transit or transit within small towns is not even in the same universe as what's available in most of the US.

  • add-sub-mul-div 3 days ago

    Over 100 million people live in just the top 20 metro areas alone. It's hardly an edge case.

tavavex 2 days ago

NYC is the absolute best case in the US, if you're talking about the ability to exist without a car. It's not that no one talks about those millions of households, it's that they are all concentrated on a few standout islands (literally!) in a sea of the nearly identical car-only supermajority of cities. It's the exception to all exceptions.

  • Retric 2 days ago

    Most people live on a few islands of density in a sea of nearly empty land in the US.

    • tavavex 2 days ago

      Most people live in cities, but the vast majority of American cities do not approach even 10% of the quality and availability of transit in NYC. That's why I said that NYC is a massive outlier among the rest of the US.

      • Retric a day ago

        I don’t think the average city is a useful comparison when more people live in larger cities which tend to have better mass transit options.

        People live car free in a wide range of cities, it’s more convenient for more people in NYC thus the large percentage of people doing so, but the percentage is rarely zero.

calvinmorrison 3 days ago

"the best public transit in the densest US city barely manages to reach 50% of car-free lifestyle" is what you're leaving out.

  • Retric 3 days ago

    A household not having a car is a much higher benchmark than being able to live a car free lifestyle.

    It’s common for people to own a car and not use it for weeks, months, or in some cases years at a time.

drnick1 3 days ago

I would argue that even in NYC, having a car is necessary if you ever want to leave NYC (and you will want to).

  • Retric 3 days ago

    It’s not useful if you generally fly most places you travel to. An of course if you’re going months-years without using a car then renting becomes relatively more convenient.