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Comment by embedding-shape 3 days ago

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> start maintaining the stack instead of just endlessly complaining about Wayland it'll only get worse.

This is actually what forced me to migrate to Wayland, seeing lots of people complaining about Wayland but not seeing people stepping up to maintain X11. And those who used to maintain X11, built Wayland instead.

Yes, Wayland isn't perfect, but for professionals who just want shit to continue working, you kind of have to move to the software that is being maintained, for better or worse.

sprash 3 days ago

Always the same lies. People "stepped up" in the and as a result were outright banned from the gitlab (instead of e.g. just rejecting pull requests). Current maintainers refuse to do any release management and instead treat every merge into master as a new release. This kind of sabotage makes development or contributing very difficult. Also the people that used to maintain X11 (e.g. Keith Packard) had nothing to do with building Wayland.

Wayland on the other is just a insanely stupid API. Everybody advocating for Wayland should be forced to write a simple client at least once without relying on behemoths like GTK or Qt.

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  • gf000 3 days ago

    > outright banned from the gitlab

    Yeah, lies and then you come in with shit like this. You can surely show several proofs then, right?

    > Wayland on the other is just a insanely stupid API. Everybody advocating for Wayland should be forced to write a simple client at least once without relying on behemoths like GTK or Qt.

    Why would you do it outside of toying around? Btw, I have and it's nothing out of ordinary.

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    • dabockster 3 days ago

      If this was a paid job, both you and sprash would have been fired or at least PIP'ed several comments ago. This kind of behavior has ZERO place in any code project - professional or volunteer.

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      • philipallstar 9 hours ago

        If this were a writing contest, your comment would be entirely unsuitable and you'd have been summarily ejected.

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      • gf000 2 days ago

        As far as I know this is a comment section, not a project. Where exactly have I had a problematic comment?

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  • kombine 3 days ago

    X11 is on the way out. Both major DEs will abandon X11 backend within one year.

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    • sprash 3 days ago

      This just means both major DEs will be abandoned by users within one year. Good riddance.

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  • darkwater 3 days ago

    So, what's stopping these rejected contributors to create their hard fork of XOrg, just like XOrg was a hard fork of XFree86?

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    • bitwize 3 days ago

      XLibre is that hard fork. But distros are reticent to adopt it as it's considered a security risk.

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  • bitwize 3 days ago

    > People "stepped up"

    If by "people" you mean a fascist who doesn't know how to program, then sure. But the sensible people who don't present a security threat with their politics or with shitty code are 100% in the Wayland camp.

    > Also the people that used to maintain X11 (e.g. Keith Packard) had nothing to do with building Wayland.

    Those people aren't maintaining X11 today, are they? The people who are maintaining X11 today have put it in bugfix-only mode and have told you, many times, that the future is Wayland. End of discussion.

    Look, you want to run a retro 90s desktop for shits and giggles, that's great. There's even an officially supported path for this use case: Ariadne Conill's Wayback. But the DEs and the toolkits are all removing X11 support within the next year or two. There is no future there. You want to keep running modern software, you will have to switch to Wayland eventually—and soon.

    > Wayland on the other is just a insanely stupid API. Everybody advocating for Wayland should be forced to write a simple client at least once without relying on behemoths like GTK or Qt.

    Nobody actually develops applications that way. They all use a toolkit, and the behemoths cover pretty much 90% of actual application development (modulo things like Electron). Both of those, by the way, are deprecating X11 support.

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