Comment by Waterluvian

Comment by Waterluvian 3 days ago

11 replies

Eliminating the leaderboard might help. By measuring it as a race, it becomes a race, and now the goal is the metric.

Maybe just have a cool advent calendar thingy like a digital tree that gains an ornament for each day you complete. Each ornament can be themed for each puzzle.

Of course I hope it goes without saying that the creator(s) can do it however they want and we’re nothing but richer for it existing.

wging 3 days ago

That 'digital tree' idea is similar to how AoC has always worked. There's a theme-appropriate ASCII graphic on the problem page that gains color and effects as you complete problems. It's not always a tree, but it was in 2015 (the first year), and in several other years at least one tree is visible. https://adventofcode.com/2015

squigz 3 days ago

> By measuring it as a race, it becomes a race, and now the goal is the metric.

It becomes a race when you start seeing it as a race :) One can just... ignore the leaderboard

  • amiga386 3 days ago

    I've ignored the leaderboard for its entire existence, as the puzzles release at something like 4AM-5AM in my timezone; there's no point getting up 4 hours early, or staying awake 4 hours after bedtime, for some points on the internet.

    Instead, getting gold stars for solving the puzzles is incentive enough, and can be done as a relaxing thing in the morning.

    No matter what you do, as the puzzles get harder, you won't solve them in a day (or even a lifetime) if you don't come up with good algorithms/methods/heuristics.

  • m000 3 days ago

    I disagree. Having a leaderboard also leaks into the puzzle design. So the experience is different, even if you choose to ignore the leaderboard as a participant.

    • orphea 3 days ago

        > Having a leaderboard also leaks into the puzzle design.
      
      Is it your opinion? Can you give an example? Or did Eric say that?
  • Waterluvian 3 days ago

    That’s also completely true and something I often say about gaming. You don’t like achievements? Just don’t do them. Your enjoyment shouldn’t be a function of how others interact with the product.

    • Almondsetat 3 days ago

      "Just ignore it" doesn't work, psychologically.

      • Vespasian 3 days ago

        I never, in all the years of participating in AoC did take a look at the global leaderboard.

        Even before LLMs I knew it was filled with with results faster then you can blink.

        So some of us, from gut feeling the vast majority, it was always just for fun. Usually I spent at least until March to finish as much as I did in every year.

      • Mountain_Skies 2 days ago

        I stopped staying up until midnight for the new problem set to be released and instead would do them in the afternoon. Even though I could compare my time to the leaderboard, simply not having the possibility of being on the board removed most of the comparison anxiety.

      • mlhpdx 3 days ago

        Oh, i’m quite sure it does. In fact, it’s a central thing in so much of psychology. The only difference is how you get there. Some people can just ignore and others take more effort.

      • squigz 3 days ago

        Lots of people play games while ignoring the achievements.

        Many people do - well, did - AoC while ignoring the leaderboard.