Comment by constantcrying

Comment by constantcrying 3 days ago

People need to stop making Meme distributions. There will be so much grief once people figure out that what they wanted is a good, stable operating system and what they got is a franken Arch, which will inevitably fail in unpredictable ways and for which there is miniscule support.

The Arch forums rightfully warn against this and do not want users of these distros, since all these distros are inevitably broken in their own weird ways.

There are multiple very reasonable distros. There is absolutely no need to make these forks.

embedding-shape 3 days ago

> There is absolutely no need to make these forks.

It's not a fork though. You can find out what a distribution is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_distribution

> since all these distros are inevitably broken in their own weird ways

Absolute statements should probably have some absolute and undeniable proof, what exact "weird" ways are CachyOS broken today, since you apparently think yourself to be experienced enough to know this?

Maybe it's time to stop crying, and try to see some positivity in the world rather than going into a dark hole constantly.

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teekert 3 days ago

Having a great showcase distro can be a very nice way into Linux in general. Don’t be so negative. IMHO the Linux life style also means exploring, being more aware of data/OS separation, a deeper understanding of computing in general. It’s alle achieved with these boutique distros which may display the best that’s out there.

FOSS is about freedom, freedom works best with options to apply to. Nobody is forcing you to do anything with these options.

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constantcrying 3 days ago

>Having a great showcase distro can be a very nice way into Linux in general.
By "nice" do you mean a distro which is fundamentally broken and far less supported then its parent distro?
>It’s alle achieved with these boutique distros which may display the best that’s out there.
It is displaying the worst that is out there, just with a nice interface. These niche distros are always the worst choices, because they lack in support and are all fundamentally broken.
Running someone else's patch set of Arch is the easiest way to have a terrible Linux experience. Having a nice interface to lull people into believing what they are getting is a professional product and then handing them a fundamentally broken system, where some hobbyists have patched a proper Linux distro so bad, that you are not even allowed to ask for help on the Arch forum is down right devious and presents the worst of the Linux world.
The truth is that Linux is mostly stable (even Arch), well supported and maintained. But this does not apply to these small hobby projects, which are just worse versions of their base distros with some ricing on top.
>FOSS is about freedom, freedom works best with options to apply to. Nobody is forcing you to do anything with these options.
At the same time I am free to warn people against this. These distros are a bad Idea and especially if you are new to Linux they will make you suffer far more than you should.

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- acron0 3 days ago
  
  > Running someone else's patch set of Arch is the easiest way to have a terrible Linux experience. Having a nice interface to lull people into believing what they are getting is a professional product and then handing them a fundamentally broken system, where some hobbyists have patched a proper Linux distro so bad, that you are not even allowed to ask for help on the Arch forum is down right devious and presents the worst of the Linux world.
  Except, this isn't the experience for the majority of users moving to Cachy, Bazzite, Zorin, whatever. What they're getting is a fresh, usable experience specifically in the "flavor" they care about.
  Linux, and especially Arch, has an image problem, and it's the reason, despite how good these base distros might be, that people aren't coming. It takes a clever bit of branding and a marginalisation of all the gatekeeping (just like you're trying to do right now) to let users finally think "actually, maybe this is something I can use".
  
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  constantcrying 3 days ago
  
  >Except, this isn't the experience for the majority of users moving to Cachy, Bazzite, Zorin, whatever.
  Yes, but it will be experience they inevitably will have once these differences will result in their OS being fundamentally broken and nobody being there to help them.
  >It takes a clever bit of branding and a marginalisation of all the gatekeeping (just like you're trying to do right now) to let users finally think "actually, maybe this is something I can use".
  Hilariously giving people a fundamentally broken OS, which they use based on superficial criteria is the best gatekeeper imaginable. Once the inevitable happens and their distro is totally trashed, they will never use Linux for anything again.
  If you want people to have a good long term experience give them a well supported mainstream distro, instead of a fundamentally broken arch patchset.
  >"actually, maybe this is something I can use".
  Which is exactly the wrong thought. No, the fundamentally broken Arch derivative you are trying to use is much, much harder to use than Fedora.
  
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ilitirit 3 days ago

> People need to stop making Meme distributions.

Heh. I've been saying that since I was on Mandrake in the early 2000s. This is just what the Linux landscape is like.

That said, I'm generally not easily impressed, especially by random *nix distro 347, but CachyOS is surprisingly good. I've finally switched full time from Windows. I don't even need VS anymore because Rider is x-platform.

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rolymath 3 days ago

Personally, I wanted Hyprland which is not supported on debian/Ubuntu and only partially supported on Fedora. But couldn't for the life of me figure out how to install Arch.

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anjel 2 days ago

Easy arch install https://garudalinux.org/installation?edition=hyprland

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constantcrying 3 days ago

>Personally, I wanted Hyprland which is not supported on debian/Ubuntu and only partially supported on Fedora
What? https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/hyprland https://packages.fedoraproject.org/pkgs/hyprland/hyprland/
>But couldn't for the life of me figure out how to install Arch.
I mean, come on. Sure, Arch is not for everybody, but if you are semi tech savy you could have done the internet searches I did and figured out which distros have hyprland packages. Both Fedora and Debian have them.
Arch is also not much harder to install than debian. Insert the image and go through the steps in the installer, this isn't some magic ritual. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Archinstall

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- rolymath 2 days ago
  
  Try setting up in Debian and let me know how it goes.
  I'll even help you. JaKool is the most popular option.
  While you're at it, check how many versions the debian package is behind arch/upstream.
  It blows my mind how confident people are about knowing something just because they read it somewhere without verifying it themselves.
  Vanilla arch is missing so much niceties that take too long to setup.
  When your line of thinking there shouldn't be any distros. Just mainline Linux kernel.
  
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