Comment by adidoit

Comment by adidoit 4 days ago

This sounds like one of the "Ironies of Automation" as Lisain Bainbridge pointed out several years ago.

The more prevalent automation is, the worse humans do when that automation is taken away. This will be true for learning now .

Ultimately the education system is stuck in a bind. Companies want AI-native workers, students want to work with AI, parents want their kids to be employable. Even if the system wants to ensure that students are taught how to learn and not just a specific curriculum, their stakeholders have to be on board.

I think we're shifting to a world where not only will elite status markers like working at places like McKinsey and Google be more valuable but also interview processes will be significantly lengthened because companies will be doing assessments themselves and not trusting credentials from an education system that's suffering from great inflation and automation

adverbly 3 days ago

> companies will be doing assessments themselves and not trusting credentials from an education system that's suffering from great inflation and automation

Speak for yourself, but that's been how many companies have been operating for decades at this point.

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DiscourseFan 3 days ago

Perhaps the credentials will change as these academic institutions become more like dinosaurs and other kinds of institutes will arise which give better markers of ability.

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kiba 3 days ago

I don't know what AI native folks will look like. To me, it looks like just replacing skilled labors with unskilled labors as opposed to giving humans new skills.

AI to me will be valuable when it's helping humans learn and think more strategically and when they're actually teaching humans or helping humans spot contradiction and vetting for reliable information. Fact checking is extremely labor intensive work after all.

Or otherwise if AI is so good, just replace humans.

Right now, the most legible use of AI is AI slop and misinformation.

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sothatsit 3 days ago

The skilled AI users are the people that use it to help them learn and think problems through in more detail.
Unskilled AI users are people who use AI to do their thinking for them, rather than using it as a work partner. This is how people end up producing bad work because they fundamentally don’t understand the work themselves.

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- graemefawcett 2 days ago
  
  This is the right attitude.
  GenAI isn't a thinking machine, as much it might pretend to be. It's a theatre kid that's really motivated to help you and memorized the Internet.
  Work with them. Let them fill in your ideas with extra information, sure, but they have to be your ideas. And you're going to have to put some work into it, the "hallucinations" are just your intent incompletely specified.
  They're going to give you the structure, that's high probability fruit. It's the guts of it that has to be fully formed in the context before the generative phase can start. You can't just ask for a business plan and then get upset when the one it gives you is full of nonsense.
  Ever heard the phrase "ask a silly question, get a silly answer"?
  
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