Comment by tavavex

Comment by tavavex 4 days ago

11 replies

Is there such a thing as anti-rose-tinted glasses? I feel like this is an example of that.

No one here is saying that Microsoft was good, which seems to underlie your insistence on Clippy being so horrible - they're saying that a mistake like this one wasn't born from anti-user sentiment. Microsoft had engaged in plenty of anti-consumer action by then, but Clippy wasn't an example of it - its inclusion was misguided because the software industry was still in the exploratory phase in terms of UX, and some designers thought that putting silly faces and characters on things would make computers easier to learn and use in the rapidly-expanding market. Which is why you also see less annoying forms of character images pop up in some other Microsoft software of the day, acting as flashier textboxes.

They didn't purposefully waste CPU time by disregarding good software engineering practices (like what's happening everywhere now), they just misplaced a part of the performance budget to something that wasn't very useful. They didn't integrate Clippy as an essential part of the Microsoft experience, making it uplink your actions to Microsoft (which could have been done by then) or making Windows into the "Clippy OS". It was just an interactive help pop-up. If you didn't want it, you could have unchecked it from the very first version's install dialogue, and it would never appear anywhere. You could disable it afterwards. After a short run, Microsoft admitted their mistake and removed this feature for good, even making fun of it in a few Flash shorts and games. Nothing from this list even remotely approaches what Microsoft does today, and they will never return to the already-low-bar that was there 20 years ago.

agumonkey 4 days ago

personally i found it just a tiny annoyance, like a cartoonish popup that didn't understand context enough to be useful.

charcircuit 4 days ago

You could say the same about Microsoft's telemetry in Windows which this article is complaining about due to it being opt in. The telemtry's purpose is to improve user's experience by allowing Microsoft to make the product better by knowing where things are going wrong or if they are making harmful changes.

  • tavavex 2 days ago

    Telemetry is a lot harder of a sell if you're talking about "improving the user experience". Whereas Clippy was a case of "we assume this will help UX for new users -> it seems pretty harmless -> include it in our product", something like telemetry can only be simplified to "having mountains of telemetry data will help us because 0.0001% of it may be useful in resolving an issue -> this 0.0001% is so useful that every user should by default uplink their actions to Microsoft, regardless of any privacy concerns (which we know of ahead of time) -> enable it for everyone, they need to sacrifice a bit for the greater good". The intentions behind the two are similar only if you look at them in broadest possible terms.

DuperPower 3 days ago

lol no he had more lives than the Terminator you just ended Up accepting him because he was very unkillable

jibal 4 days ago

> No one here is saying that Microsoft was good, which seems to underlie your insistence on Clippy being so horrible

No, it obviously doesn't underlie their criticism ... and that claim is ad hominem.

I think there are numerous reasons why Clippy is a poor choice for a mascot, and your correspondent presented some of those reasons.

  • tavavex 2 days ago

    In what way could it be ad hominem? Where did I attack the poster? I did make an assumption of why they were arguing against it in such strong terms, but how does an assumption make for a personal insult on the author?

    I realize they also brought up points about why they thought this was bad. The rest of my comment was spent replying to those points.

  • kdazzle 4 days ago

    > that claim is ad hominem

    Or dare i say…ad clippynem?