Comment by cbondurant

Comment by cbondurant 4 hours ago

19 replies

I don't particularly care about mozilla so much as I care about Firefox, gecko, and the continued existence of at least ONE other browser.

I don't want to use a blink based browser. If/When mozilla finally dies I don't have high hopes that Firefox won't just die with it.

NooneAtAll3 3 hours ago

> the continued existence of at least ONE other browser.

thankfully next generation of browsers are here - ladybug and servo, so at least something will survive even in the worst of the worst cases

charcircuit 4 hours ago

Why do you want to not use a blink based browser? Are there any changes to the engine you are looking for that a competing browser could help develop.

  • ifh-hn 4 hours ago

    Not OP but I've never used anything but Firefox. I simply want to keep using my favourite browser, the one I have most control over.

  • debazel an hour ago

    Not OP, but personally I very much prefer Firefox font rendering on Windows. Text in Chromium based browser looks blurry to me, which causes eye strain. Firefox also has a much sharper and better looking image down-scaling algorithm that again looks blurry in Chromium based browsers.

  • cbondurant 4 hours ago

    To me blink as a render engine is too closely coupled to Google. Even though technically chromium is disconnected and open source, the amount of leverage Google has is too high.

    I dread the possibility that gecko and webkit browsers truly die out, and the single biggest name in web advertising has unilateral sway over the direction of web standards.

    A good example of this is that through the exclusive leverage of Google, all blink based browsers are phasing out support for Manifest V2. A widely unpopular, forcing change. If I'm using a blink based browser I become vulnerable to any other profit motivated changes like that one.

    Mozilla might be trying their hardest to do the same with this AI shlock, but if I have to choose between the trillion dollar market cap dictator of the internet and the little kid playing pretend evil billionaire in their sandbox? Well, Mozilla is definitely the less threatening of the two in that regard.

    • charcircuit 3 hours ago

      Participarion in web standards includes multiple different browsers even if they use the same browser engine. If we had only blink based browsers, it wouldn't be just Google at the table.

      >phasing out support for Manifest V2. A widely unpopular, forcing change.

      It was unpopular among a niche minority. Most of which didn't undersrand what actually changed with MV3, nor did most people understand the evolution of MV3 over time.

      • rjdj377dhabsn an hour ago

        I don't know the details, but breaking uBO was the obvious negative impact for users.

        Is there some additional information that you think would change the opinion of the users who want strong adblocking capabilities?

        • charcircuit 36 minutes ago

          Android breaks app with every major update, but what happens is those app developers make changes to be compatible with the new version. It wouldn't have broken if uBO was updated to be MV3 like other web extentions were. Instead for a MV3 and brand new extention was made which means users can't be automatically updated with a MV3 connotation version.

          Some additional information would be that MV3 allows the extention to update rules without a new extention update. This is one of the several misinformations of MV3 that have been spread.

    • bigyabai 3 hours ago

      > If I'm using a blink based browser I become vulnerable to any other profit motivated changes like that one.

      Only if your OEM prevents you from installing competing browser engines. For most real computers it's not a concern.

      • 1718627440 3 hours ago

        Yeah, what IS preventing you is the lack of competing browsers.

        • charcircuit 3 hours ago

          But notably not lack of competing browser engines as the power of these decisions come from the product and not the open source libraries the product uses.

      • 7bit 3 hours ago

        Oof, maybe read his comment again...

  • abenga 3 hours ago

    Is there any Blink browser that allows you to install uBlock origin?

    • charcircuit 3 hours ago

      Brave has adblocking built into blink itself, so you no longer need to trust a 3rd party browser extention.

      • do_not_redeem 2 hours ago

        I think gorhill is far more trustworthy than a whole new browser based on crypto.

        • charcircuit 2 hours ago

          It's not based on cryptocurrency, there are just extra features that use it. Unstoppable domains is an optional feature. You don't need to visit them, but it gives value to people by letting them actually own their domain instead of leasing it from ICANN. Viewing ads to earn BAT is an optional feature. As I mentioned ad blocking is built in so you can have it show no ads if you want.