Comment by jbverschoor

Comment by jbverschoor 7 hours ago

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Sure, yes the cost of producing a wafer is fixed. Opex didn’t change that much.

Following your reasoning, which is common in manufacturing, the capex needed is already allocated. So, where does the 2x price hike come from if not supply/demand?

The cost to produce did not go up 100%, or even 20%

Actually, DRAM fabs do get scaled down, very similar to the Middle East scaling down oil production.

chmod775 4 hours ago

> So, where does the 2x price hike come from if not supply/demand?

It absolutely is supply/demand. Well, mostly demand, since supply is essentially fixed over shorter time spans. My point is that "cost per square mm [of wafer]" is too much of a simplification, given that it depends mostly on the specific production line and also ignores a lot of the stuff going on down the line. You can use to look at one fab making one specific product in isolation, but it's completely useless to compare between them or when looking at the entire industry.

It's a bit like saying the cost of cars is per gram of metal used. Sure, you can come up with some number, but what is it really useful for?

zozbot234 7 hours ago

DRAM/flash fab investment probably did get scaled down due to the formerly low prices, but once you do have a fab it makes sense to have it produce flat out. Then that chunk of potential production gets allocated into DRAM vs. HBM, various sorts of flash storage etc. But there's just no way around the fact that capacity is always going to be bottlenecked somehow, and a lot less likely to expand when margins are expected to be lower.