Comment by kasabali

Comment by kasabali 9 hours ago

6 replies

> I'm not quite sure what the answer is.

It's very simple, it's what they've been doing in print media for centuries: contextual advertising.

Vinnl 9 hours ago

Print media did also include e.g. coupons with discount codes with which advertisers could learn which lead led through a sale.

  • Retric 8 hours ago

    Without any transactions or user tracking it’s difficult to separate ‘legitimate’ content farms from those using bot farms to boost their page views.

    Print media was also trying to guarantee their audience was an actual person by charging nominal fees, the difference was how much info required to do so.

gedy 9 hours ago

Yes seriously - I'm old enough to have enjoy reading magazines that had ads throughout them. They were fine.

I'd venture to say contextual advertising would be more effective than whatever we've been trying to squeeze out of fingerprinting etc. All this supposed "data" they are gathering feels like a scam perpetuated by ad companies about how important it is to the people who buy ads. It's not.

Even Facebook and Instagram, which pretty much should know you to a tee is completely ineffectual at advertising to me - like at all.

  • 8bitsrule 6 hours ago

    Same here. By the time I was old enough to have an income, reading comics had already made it possible for me to -not even see any- advertising. That carried over to newspapers, magazines... all those advertisers were wasting their money.

    Later on in life I got pissed at cable-TV advertisers shoved into my favorite movies every 5-10 minutes ... ruining any ambience or artistic merit in them ... so I got rid of cable TV. By the time analog TV went away, I'd got rid of my television set. No return address on an envelope? junk mail, into the garbage unopened.

    Now the pollution's ruined the 'net ... it's YouTube (re-routed) and some websites (blocked). So long, boing-boing and wired and your 'native ads'. Sites demand subscription? blocked. How much longer before advertisers realize how much they're getting ripped off?

    • sfink 5 hours ago

      > Sites demand subscription? blocked.

      Odd. In the midst of a (well-deserved) anti-ad rant, you throw in the primary non-ad alternative and discard it.

      > How much longer before advertisers realize how much they're getting ripped off?

      A while longer, if the same people who reject ads are also the people who reject alternatives to ads. The advertisers can safely ignore those people's opinions.

      (I'm not saying subscriptions are the answer. I don't have an answer. I'm just saying that companies wanting subscription money is not part of the problem where companies want to shove ads in our faces 24/7.)

hedora 8 hours ago

The main “problem” with contextualized advertising is that the people producing the content get a larger share of the ad spend.

Targeted ads concentrate control over the market into a few players, which can do things like acquire competitors or run them out of business with loss leaders.

With AI, the supply of ad real estate will go to infinity, so the only thing that will matter is the quality of the places the ads run.

This would be a good time to ban targeted advertising, or for the content producers to form a cartel that only purchases contextual ads.

That cartel will probably be even worse than what we have now, since it’s going to be 2-3 mega conglomerates like Disney, and they already have handed editorial control over to the White House.

Hopefully the invisible hand of capitalism will somehow fix this.