Comment by crote

Comment by crote 14 hours ago

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Is this still the case in 2025, though?

In a traditional pork cycle there's a relatively large number of players and a relatively low investment cost. The DRAM market in the 1970s and 1980s operated quite similarly: you could build a fab for a few million dollars, and it could be done by a fab which also churned out regular logic - it's how Intel got started! There were dozens of DRAM-producing companies in the US alone.

But these days the market looks completely different. The market is roughly equally divided up between SK Hynix, Micron, and Samsung. Building a fab costs billions and can easily a year of 5 - if not a decade - from start to finish. Responding to current market conditions is basically impossible, you have to plan for the market you expect years from now.

Ignoring the current AI bubble, DRAM demand has become relatively stable - and so has the price. Unless there's a good reason to believe the current buying craze will last over a decade, why would the DRAM manufacturers risk significantly changing their plans and potentially creating an oversupply in the future? It's not like the high prices are hurting them...

lazide 13 hours ago

Also, current political turbulence makes planning for the long term extremely risky.

Will the company be evicted from the country in 6 months? A year? Will there be 100% tariffs on competitions imports? Or 0%? Will there be an anti-labor gov’t in effect when the investment might mature, or a pro-labor?

The bigger the investment, the longer the investment timeframe, and the more sane the returns - the harder it is to make the investment happen.

High risk requires a correspondingly high potential return.

That everyone has to pay more for current production is a side effect of the uncertainty, because no one knows what the odds are of even future production actually happening, let along the next fancy wiz-bang technology.

But people do need the current production.