Comment by NobodyNada

Comment by NobodyNada 5 days ago

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That is fantastic, I love it!

If I may submit an extremely pedantic music nerd bug report: at 46s in the video demo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qboig3a0YS0&t=46s), the display should read Bb instead of A#, as the key of C minor is written with flats :)

(The precise rule is that a diatonic scale must use each letter name for exactly one note, e.g. you can't have both G and G# in the same key, and you can't skip B. This has many important properties that make music easier to read and reason about, such as allowing written music to specify "all the E's, A's, and B's are flat" once at the start of the piece instead of having to clutter the page with redundant sharps or flats everywhere.)

hunter2_ 5 days ago

If only the users contributing chord charts to sites like Ultimate Guitar understood this; the number of times I've seen this wrong is astounding. For example, a progression like I-iii-IV in the key of E major will be written as E-Abmin-A but ought to be E-G#min-A for the reason you stated: pratically it's confusing, theoretically it's wrong, and there's simply no upside at all.

Using exclusively sharps (or flats, but that's not so common) is for piano technicians, frequency-to-note calculators, and similar utilitarian situations that aren't in a diatonic context.

Aside: this is also an easy way to explain double sharps and double flats. If you stumble upon one, and decide to see what would happen if you eliminate it in favor of an enharmonic equivalent (i.e., a natural), you'd end up with a scale that uses some letter twice and also skips a letter. The double sharp/flat achieves the use of each letter exactly once. A bit cumbersome on most instruments (keyed instruments especially), but it does make for easier sight reading (vocals especially) when stepwise movement uses each line/space of the staff, rather than skipping.

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nine_k 5 days ago

The device is fantastic indeed!

Regarding flats and sharps: one could ignore the Pythagorean stuff and go full well-tempered dodecaphonic, thinking purely in terms of semitones in the intervals. This toy sort of nudges towards this. It would be fun to add 12 small LEDs along the faders, and show the number of semitones with them, relative to the previous fader's position.

On one hand, the fact that the same sound can be named A# and Bb may be puzzling for a kid (they could differ on a violin, I suppose); OTOH if the kid later learns formal music notation, this becomes helpful, so your comment holds.

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  • NobodyNada 5 days ago

    > On one hand, the fact that the same sound can be named A# and Bb may be puzzling for a kid

    I think that, given the toy is (currently) diatonic, and doesn't really have any ability to visualize the chromatic scale (like a piano keyboard does), using the formally correct note names is more intuitive. That way, only the accidentals change when you change modes ("when I change it to C minor, the B becomes a Bb"). This naturally teaches a simple and correct mental model: "the slider chooses a letter and pushing the orange knob makes letters flat or sharp".

    If you only ever use sharps instead of sticking to the correct notation, then the notes change inconsistently between different keys ("changing from C major to C minor turns the B into an A#, but changing from C# major to C# minor changes the F into an E"). This is incomprehensible unless you've already memorized the piano keyboard layout.

    The OP's choice of restricting to the diatonic scale seems sensible to me -- it helps the kid learn the vocabulary of Western music (if that's your goal!) and it benefits the parents as well by making it hard to create something that sounds bad.

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jeffalyanak 5 days ago

I'm pretty sure that NobodyNada knows this, but for pedants out there using Bb instead of A# is specifically a classical European music notation thing.

There's nothing wrong with using A# and plenty of other notations do. For a modern, hacker-y example, tracker notation only uses sharps).

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